tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post1067634307536745437..comments2024-03-18T07:23:32.809-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Part 8: Shanghai Diary -- Chinese / Russian DrawingJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-11360522289108774922021-12-12T13:55:12.341-05:002021-12-12T13:55:12.341-05:00Sorry for the late reply, the woman by the third p...Sorry for the late reply, the woman by the third portrait was made by the master Yim Mau-Kun, is active in youtube nowadays. Is one of my pillars like the master owner of this blog, Gurney. A pleasure to listen to them and always leave plenty of food for thought. Glad i found them. Best regards Master James! Arielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17746931704929465953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-5946624108486094022021-11-21T13:44:48.311-05:002021-11-21T13:44:48.311-05:00Who did sixth portrait? Who did sixth portrait? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983457036715287138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-32116657863381859272013-03-22T17:21:30.106-04:002013-03-22T17:21:30.106-04:00Who did that third portrait?Who did that third portrait?Clarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18309732033678438092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-41623831216675072962012-05-15T08:03:50.483-04:002012-05-15T08:03:50.483-04:00Thanks to the interstate highway system, it is now...Thanks to the interstate highway system, it is now possible to travel from coast to coast without seeing anything.Cheap flights to Shanghaihttp://www.seabreezetravels.com/flights-to-shanghainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-47466365250894934142012-04-11T14:22:59.577-04:002012-04-11T14:22:59.577-04:00Thanks a lot! I'll read up on Duran.Thanks a lot! I'll read up on Duran.Groohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17197463469200725089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-13663029838208642372012-04-11T14:00:12.448-04:002012-04-11T14:00:12.448-04:00Cool post! I was in Beijing about 10 years ago and...Cool post! I was in Beijing about 10 years ago and they had art books filled with incredible figure work.<br />I immediately recognized the "patch method lady" from one of the many drawing books I bought, I'm not sure how his name is romanized but that guy is a machine.Andreas Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-3727798914284087582012-04-10T20:37:50.853-04:002012-04-10T20:37:50.853-04:00thanks for the reply... I shall check those out.thanks for the reply... I shall check those out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-75806677179711703552012-04-09T17:27:55.058-04:002012-04-09T17:27:55.058-04:00Groo, I don't know the name for the "patc...Groo, I don't know the name for the "patch" method, but the idea of bounding a form with straight lines and using mosaic-like patches of tone was common in French training, particularly with Carolus Duran. <br /><br />Anonymous, the Repin academy in Russia is still very active, and you can learn more about it online. There's also a school in Florence taught by Professor S. Chubirko, who I interviewed on a previous blog post: http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2011/03/academic-methods-part-2-russian-art.htmlJames Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-82964488338217582652012-04-09T04:58:34.100-04:002012-04-09T04:58:34.100-04:00Interesting read. I'd love to know if there is...Interesting read. I'd love to know if there is a popular name for this angular "patch" drawing method, so I could find out more about it.Groohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17197463469200725089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-42463554556350159542012-04-08T20:58:00.862-04:002012-04-08T20:58:00.862-04:00Looks like you may have found the topic for your n...Looks like you may have found the topic for your next book James! :)<br /><br />These are wonderful drawings - thank you for showing them to us and highlighting what makes them different.Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-2431002895423271272012-04-08T16:35:03.262-04:002012-04-08T16:35:03.262-04:00I'm intrigued. Where should I start to find o...I'm intrigued. Where should I start to find out more about this Russian tradition? Any book or website recommendations?<br /><br />This is powerful stuff; I agree that there can be a certain lack of sincerity in some Western art(as much as the majority of my influence and inspiration has come from the West).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-4555972974112077622012-04-07T19:36:08.715-04:002012-04-07T19:36:08.715-04:00Regarding the Russian art. I've observed what...Regarding the Russian art. I've observed what James said and thought the same thing prior to reading this post. It just seems there is training going on in those schools or maybe it's the living conditions in general that allows artists to catch a sincere depiction of human emotion. I find that this quality, for the most part absent in work from certain other countries. Technical ability is one thing. Instilling character into a drawing is quite another. Wanna see lots of art, go to Stumble Upon and start stumbling!JNLeDuchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08480891508513894036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-75642862614517637732012-04-07T04:11:25.277-04:002012-04-07T04:11:25.277-04:00I happened to visit the Russian Art Museum in Sain...I happened to visit the Russian Art Museum in Saint Petersburg without any previous knowledge or awareness of Russian art and I can say I stood awestruck in front of the first portraits I saw (there are literary hundreds of them in the museum). It may be difficult to describe, but there is definitely something different to them than traditional western portraiture. They have a presence, a reality, sincerity, as you call it, that is apparent even to the layman. The people depicted may be dead since hundreds of years and still you have the feeling you instantly know them, like old friends, in a direct and profound sort-of way. Since then, I wonder what is the secret, I mean how do you really practically achieve that "feeling" in a portrait. Glad to know this is a shared experience and was not just an illusion of my mind.SMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08540937404644041250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-64900755113639054962012-04-07T04:07:26.446-04:002012-04-07T04:07:26.446-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13673409685264396285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-4309189140065833072012-04-06T20:58:42.350-04:002012-04-06T20:58:42.350-04:00Dan, no I haven't stayed in touch. I'd lov...Dan, no I haven't stayed in touch. I'd love to know how Mr. Dafeng and the other Greenwhich China artists are doing. <br /><br />Anonymous and Arahmynta -- Sincerity is hard to define, but I'll try. By a sincere approach, I mean the opposite of a sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek, superficial, or overly high-concept approach. To me, it has something to do with a living quality, a sympathy, and an expression of an honest feeling. Maybe it has something to do with granting a human subject their own dignity, and showing more than the sum of their features.<br /><br />Edward, yes, Stalin and Mao had definite ideas about art, and artists had to tow the official line, or else--but some great stuff was done under that system, just as great art was created to advertise Coca-Cola (Go Sundblom!)<br /><br />Charles, some of the books I picked up have step by steps in the back, so maybe I can post something about that in the future.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-23593363623258326182012-04-06T20:05:08.228-04:002012-04-06T20:05:08.228-04:00@arahmynta I agree. What if said oriental artists ...@arahmynta I agree. What if said oriental artists lacked sincerity? <br /><br />Actually I do find that Asian artists (and classical musicians ) are often technically competent but lacking in vitality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-14945817981199675202012-04-06T16:58:08.534-04:002012-04-06T16:58:08.534-04:00I would really like to know, if Mr. Gurney could t...I would really like to know, if Mr. Gurney could tell me - what do you mean precisely when you say that they are done with a sincerity that is generally lacking in the west? I literally don't know how to tell what you mean, what it is that you're seeing that makes this difference. Could you give examples perhaps? That kind of observation, because it sounds like it's divorced from mere technical excellence, sounds like a very advanced lesson, and I'd appreciate it if you could expand on what you mean - if not in the comments, then perhaps in a second post. You have me curious and I'd really like to know what it is that you're seeing.Arahmyntahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10902105060234975873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-80151295851105497912012-04-06T15:17:02.354-04:002012-04-06T15:17:02.354-04:00Perheps Charles would find this interesting?
http...Perheps Charles would find this interesting?<br /><br />http://www.nikolai-blokhin.com/videoinfo.php?products_id=400JonInFrancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05623398725744947374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-19060824742646804552012-04-06T13:40:19.391-04:002012-04-06T13:40:19.391-04:00Ah! I haven't heard Mo's name in -years-. ...Ah! I haven't heard Mo's name in -years-. We both painted for the Greenwich Workshop around the same time.<br /><br />Have you stayed in touch?Dan dos Santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070424854827757881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-40898757231095880312012-04-06T12:53:50.054-04:002012-04-06T12:53:50.054-04:00I would love to see a piece by piece demo of someo...I would love to see a piece by piece demo of someone drawing in the russian traditional method. I have always loved russian art and would really like to try my hand at this sot of drawing. <br /><br />Great post Gurney!Charles Valsechihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06041325601134421884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-89792983703454907752012-04-06T12:42:27.892-04:002012-04-06T12:42:27.892-04:00Yeah, Academy bases it's fundamentals on the C...Yeah, Academy bases it's fundamentals on the Chinese/Russian tradition along with 19th century technique (Sargent) and early 20th century illustration. <br /><br />James, I wonder how much China owes it's tradition not just to the Russian masters, but to the adoption of Communism. Totalitarian Russian Communism erased the abstract Modernist art of the Constructivists in favor of a saccharine state-ordained romanticism, "social realism". China had a similar propoganda tradition. <br /><br />This isn't to take anything away from the great social realists like Repin, or to diminish the ability of any of the Chinese artists you've mentioned, but it's also interesting to note that much of the legacy of this tradition in the 20th century is owed to serendipitous totalitarian favor.Edward Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02020227799163196037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-82893128839355371372012-04-06T12:15:19.445-04:002012-04-06T12:15:19.445-04:00This tradition is also alive in America.
I attend...This tradition is also alive in America. <br />I attended the academy of art in San Francisco (where I met you once), and several of the figure drawing teachers are Chinese. They teach the same angular/crosshatching and smudge technique. I know at least one of them went to Russia for training in the '60s.PETEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682666224075130266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-27631923712912307692012-04-06T10:09:44.605-04:002012-04-06T10:09:44.605-04:00Just catching up on your trip to Shanghai! Great S...Just catching up on your trip to Shanghai! Great Scott, these are fantastic examples of exquisite drawings. I'm head over heels in love with your sketches in the posts below too. Breathtakingly cool!Celeste Berginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06791708298070342301noreply@blogger.com