tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post1535537856649260809..comments2024-03-18T07:23:32.809-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Part 4: Foliage / Forest InteriorsJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-6451875111962219892023-03-09T06:17:26.109-05:002023-03-09T06:17:26.109-05:00While going through the series of painting i reali...While going through the series of painting i realise that nature could be of variant colour. The beatiful shadows are also the parts of trees which give a pure bliss to our eyes. Those dark green and black combination of shading is so spectacular that i want to put them into my collection. Osnat Fine Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10401346399798535118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-11627791819158320792012-07-29T05:14:22.492-04:002012-07-29T05:14:22.492-04:00Hi James,
Great series, was hoping you would addr...Hi James,<br /><br />Great series, was hoping you would address a question Ive been dealing with recently, namely how chroma and temperature nehave in the shaded areas of trees, or put difefrently, how to paint the shadows of trees accurately. I realize there are at least two issues involved, what we see and how to paint it, so I was hoping you could touch on what happens to all those greens as they get in shade and how you go about understanding the changes in chroma and temperature as you paint trees. Thanks for a wonderful blog.gbenaimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15210173464975671899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-41780844250552213932012-07-14T04:20:57.012-04:002012-07-14T04:20:57.012-04:00Mike, thanks, that's a really good explanation...Mike, thanks, that's a really good explanation of HDR and the limits of photographic vision. To which I'd add that painters generally have the reverse problem. Since we automatically adjust and compensate with our eyes, we risk painting everything in the middle ranges, and we need to keep reminding ourselves to paint the lights lighter and the darks darker.<br /><br />As Mike says, single-capture photographs can record a huge amount of information. They just work more optimally in certain exposure environments. Forest environments present huge challenges to directors of photography in film, and that's why they often shoot forest sequences on foggy conditions, when the problems are minimized.<br /><br />Antonio, you raise another very important aspect of vision -- the way we piece together a complete picture in our minds of an object or a scene from a series of "exposures" or saccades. Our experience of the great and small elements of a scene transfers into a painting in a complex way that we barely understand yet. <br /><br />Kat, I'm new to James Thomas Watts. Thanks for mentioning him. And Rich, I'm glad you mentioned Richter.<br /><br />Kelden, I had meant to mention Bouguereau in this series. I love the way he handles foliage by defining leaf shapes but still keeping the values controlled.<br /><br />Neurolinked, Lucca was magical. They put on a great convention.<br /><br />Thanks, Neave. Fixed!James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-64117882478505649962012-07-13T22:11:25.176-04:002012-07-13T22:11:25.176-04:00Oh yeah: And the reason I mention this is I don...Oh yeah: And the reason I mention this is I don't think it has anything to do with stereo vision!Mike Lynch Photographyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751727249641429517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-48974710046193994872012-07-13T22:09:12.639-04:002012-07-13T22:09:12.639-04:00I want to echo what António Araújo said, but add a...I want to echo what António Araújo said, but add a fuller explanation. <br /><br />HDR is photographers speak for high dynamic range. This refers to the fact that film cannot capture the full dynamic range (dark to light) that our eyes can. And the chips on digital cameras have even less dynamic range than film does. <br /><br />The pupils in your eyes grow and shrink to allow more or less light in as needed. They open to allow you to see into the dark and close so you are not blinded by bright lights. And it is all automatic - you rarely even know you are making these compensations.<br /><br />Even though cameras, have adjustable apertures, light sensitivities, and shutter speeds, they can only record a small portion of the bright to dark spectral range in a single capture compared to what you can see. (This is something camera manufacturing companies are constantly striving to improve.) <br /><br />But to capture more of the dynamic range, some photographers take multiple exposures of a single scene, each subsequent exposure, brighter or darker than the previous ones. Then, using software, the images are combined to create a single image that presents a better (hopefully truer) representation of what the eye sees. <br /><br />Some photographers like the effect so much they exaggerate it to create interesting, if unreal, renderings of a scene. Many people think HDR means these unreal looking photos (sometimes refered to as "Grunge"). <br /><br />But that is not the original intent of HDR. <br /><br />The goal was always to allow the viewer to see the entire range of light values in an image, the highlight details in a wedding dress and the shadow details in the grooms tuxedo at the same time. Film did it better, but eyes still do it best. <br />In the not too distant future, cameras WILL exceed the human eye. In some cases they already do, (Infrared, Telephoto, Asto-photography etc.)<br /><br />Here is a link to learn more if I have not bored ou: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_mappingMike Lynch Photographyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751727249641429517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-3315273536864501422012-07-10T05:47:33.519-04:002012-07-10T05:47:33.519-04:00Jim, looking forward to the next posts. Just a que...Jim, looking forward to the next posts. Just a question though:<br /><br />Isn't it a bit unfair on the camera? :)I mean, when we say that the eye is so much more powerful? <br /><br />I mean, each fixation of the eye is akin to a photograph, really...with a very small angle and with many of the problems of photography...the thing is that we take hundreds of such "photographs" when we look at a scene, and then "glue" them all in our brains. <br /><br />If you allow the camera to take hundreds of photographs, each with its own settings of aperture, exposure, and so on, you find the camera is pretty flexible too.(you can see HDR as a first approach to that, but really, the fair comparison is just take lots of photos)<br /><br />(although I agree the eye is a pretty powerful photon detector, and we don't suffer so much at high iso ;))<br /><br />At the end of the post you mention painting in studio from a lot of studies...again, the gluing of many experiences, each study being in turn the gluing of many others.<br /><br />(I am looking out my window now and trying to force myself to make a single fixation of a leaf on the tree outside...it really isn't very much better than taking a good photograph. :)-it's when I let my eye dart around -and my mind with it - that the magic happens)António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-39425089302073137462012-07-10T00:22:18.137-04:002012-07-10T00:22:18.137-04:00This series of posts are so good I'll bet many...This series of posts are so good I'll bet many artists, maybe even Andy Wyeth, wouldn't feel the need to go to Maine to escape 'The Green Problem'.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13266757685674405297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-28657092963308806672012-07-09T19:06:26.504-04:002012-07-09T19:06:26.504-04:00What a great lesson to see! I paint in watercolor...What a great lesson to see! I paint in watercolor but this is very helpful.Sherry Schmidthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115385435932177296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-31346752200104161612012-07-09T16:03:04.094-04:002012-07-09T16:03:04.094-04:00This is the best series yet!
Painting forests in ...This is the best series yet!<br /><br />Painting forests in watercolor is a real challenge. James Thomas Watts was the master of it, and I would love to know how he did it. His work is astounding. But so much of that glorious 19th Century watercolor tradition has been lost, giving way to the "fast and loose" crowd of the 20th Century. Perhaps in the UK there are still pockets of resistance!kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07157191667153531127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-61270351407724777162012-07-09T15:16:09.564-04:002012-07-09T15:16:09.564-04:00Theres a typo in the third paragraph, second sente...Theres a typo in the third paragraph, second sentence:<br /><br />"With with our stereoscopic vision, rapid depth... "<br /><br />Thanks for the wonderful post!Neave Lifschitshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08545607778463191992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-28515895903400738612012-07-09T13:40:36.947-04:002012-07-09T13:40:36.947-04:00I need to get into the woods for a weekend and bri...I need to get into the woods for a weekend and bring some paint. Thank you for the inspiration.Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01270128136948490546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-3884630877811655302012-07-09T13:19:31.356-04:002012-07-09T13:19:31.356-04:00Great paintings!
I would like to recommend having ...Great paintings!<br />I would like to recommend having a look at<br />Ludwig Richter. Another one who quite successfully tackled the difficult subject of painting a forest.<br />And if you happen to pass by at the Zurich Kunsthaus in Switzerland, have a look at Robert Zuend there. A stunning oak-forest on the wall, 3 x 4 meters in size!Richnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-91438606564817793572012-07-09T12:50:54.283-04:002012-07-09T12:50:54.283-04:00really great , tks for sharing, very inspiring...really great , tks for sharing, very inspiring...olive farrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-52018896672210020122012-07-09T12:49:54.095-04:002012-07-09T12:49:54.095-04:00Its funny. When you think forest, you think green....Its funny. When you think forest, you think green. But from what I've seen its usually yellow, sometimes blue or blue/green. When there is green its usually very desaturated and fairly dark. Especially in old paintings. I don't know if its a rare pigment in paint or what...<br /><br />You can see it in Bouguereau's "Nymphs and Sartyr". All that luscious greenery, its all a dark yellow. At least it is for me when I put it at full saturation and flat value. Once I realized the amount of hue shift in greenery my foliage started to look less alien :) Still a long ways to go though. This series is invaluable.Kelden Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428940023486182113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-20256586558542509112012-07-09T11:25:46.333-04:002012-07-09T11:25:46.333-04:00I Really love your series of discussion of nature ...I Really love your series of discussion of nature painting it's so interesting.. also all the artists reference that you gave us as a teacher.<br />I've partecipated at your's Lucca Comic's workshop and i've early also follow your's always interesting blog ;).<br /><br />Thanks James ;)Neurolinkedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02855332868003566002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-21438421860664285552012-07-09T10:44:53.177-04:002012-07-09T10:44:53.177-04:00It's quite amazing how real these paintings fe...It's quite amazing how real these paintings feel. The photos are so bland by comparison. Makes me want to go for a walk in the woods.Keith Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14579786144772849547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-48723665418132750962012-07-09T10:28:45.773-04:002012-07-09T10:28:45.773-04:00Just gorgeous. I soooo appreciate anyone who can p...Just gorgeous. I soooo appreciate anyone who can paint forests. Even though they are my favorite subject, I've always been rather colorblind for greens and it's exasperating when I want to paint such scenes.Sharon Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13609356325356264202noreply@blogger.com