tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post164725209850639286..comments2024-03-28T16:36:12.581-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Harold Speed, "Drawing" / Preface and Intro James Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-87953166432862793662016-03-05T21:38:11.170-05:002016-03-05T21:38:11.170-05:00Regarding this introduction, I found that the mome...Regarding this introduction, I found that the moment Speed starts to prove his art definition by mixing instinct driven attitudes with those same attitudes but this time driven by feelings and emotions quite touching. Specially because he paints a context where we all share of the same harmony, wich is in the human nature. <br /><br />Also, I think he emphasizes the importance of the technique in painting when he affirms that the artist might CONSCIOUSLY alter the appearance of his subject based on some idealistic formula with the intention to express that deeper truth that is not printed in the commonplace symbol of the subject.<br /><br />I would like to kindly thank you for those book club posts, very enlightening.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08697621751065941913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-41722748854438017422015-04-04T15:43:46.566-04:002015-04-04T15:43:46.566-04:008. I find this really interesting. I think we all ...8. I find this really interesting. I think we all have felt like our creations are things that come to us rather than us coming to them, which is something I find both frightening and exciting. This is probably the biggest mystery of all in creating art. Harold Speed is very good at putting complex feelings into words, and that's one of the best things about this book.Lindsay Gravinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11064556412903575637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-74855249973355128892015-04-04T12:58:08.245-04:002015-04-04T12:58:08.245-04:00Interesting read so far. One thing that kept occu...Interesting read so far. One thing that kept occurring to me was the similarity (and difference) between Speed and Kandinsky. In "Concerning the Spiritual in Art" Kandinsky expresses very similar ideas with regards to the fundamentally expressive aspects of art, and even the idea that music is somehow a more "pure" art, and that painting should strive to be somehow like music. They both criticize "Art for Art's Sake" thinking, and they both feel that too many artists merely copy, unthinkingly, exactly what they are seeing.<br /><br />And yet they still manage to reach quite different conclusions. <br /><br />The other thing that struck me, is how different the current attitude regarding "art" - that is, the definition of art - and art's functions are. I was recalling my aesthetics class in college in which we spent a good deal of time going over different definitions and theories of art. The comments Speed makes in this area (9. and subsequently) would not have gotten him very far in that class. The prevailing idea was either an Arthur Danto-ish concept of art as whatever art institutions say it is or a generally post-modern nihilism that the whole topic was pointless and unsolvable. Speed on the other hand makes a number of assumptions - including for example, the assumption that communication is even possible - that are if not completely rejected and passe at least suspect, under post-modern theory. <br /><br />Not that Speed should have anticipated any of that. I'm in no way criticizing him. But I just think it's interesting to reflect on how much things have changed in relatively short order.Michael Piantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04793863756851083655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-83498694572911932612015-04-04T11:16:15.822-04:002015-04-04T11:16:15.822-04:0010. I admit to an inability to understand how to t...10. I admit to an inability to understand how to translate an emotion I feel in viewing a scene onto a 2D substrate that generates a similar emotion in subsequent viewers. God, the complexity of it all! Every being with differing rods and cones in their eyeballs skew the communication of the emotional impact of color; the diverse 'natures' of male and female, of young and old, the innocent and the experienced, skew the communication of the emotional impact of composition. It is easy for me to understand how to convey emotion with Music. I have written songs that make people laugh, and songs that make people cry, in almost every instance of their performance. I hate to coronate Music in this fashion compared to painting, but it suggests to me that we have yet to uncover, or unlock, a painting style that communicates emotion every bit as well as Music. It is interesting that I received from my Netflix que a documentary on the life of Ansel Adams during the time I am reading Speed's book. They proclaimed Adams an 'artist', but I wondered how much of an artist he would have been without the Yosemite. There were other photographers out and about in Yosemite while Adams was there, but he fiddled with a filter and realized a photograph that came closer to communicating his sense of awe. Had he lived in Nebraska, or Cleveland, I wonder how artistically his work would have been received. I've painted entry doors. I've painted a scene at night with the moonlight coming through threatening clouds and landing on water in the distance. I forced the former, got lucky with the reference photo for the latter. I've sold both, but the comments are generated from the latter composition. Did I communicate something, or did the composition itself DO the communicating? I remember reading another painter's philosophy, and I've adopted it: Paint to please yourself, then go on to the next one, giving no thought to how the public judges your work. This flies in the face of asking 'what do I want to communicate with this painting? prior to starting. I wish I could understand about creating mood, communicating emotion, but I just find scenes that resonate with me, I paint them, either realistically or stylistically, and offer them to a public that is passing by, like a colorful lure passing by a row of bass underwater, and occasionally someone begins to resonate also when they see my painting.Sescohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01857017166141673658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-3569079581944821822015-04-04T11:08:28.858-04:002015-04-04T11:08:28.858-04:00Tom, yes, next Friday we'll be talking about C...Tom, yes, next Friday we'll be talking about Chapter 2: "Drawing," page 31.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-63590148331483576062015-04-04T09:27:33.051-04:002015-04-04T09:27:33.051-04:00James - Is the understanding that we'll be dis...James - Is the understanding that we'll be discussing the next chapter (numbered chapter II - Drawing) starting next Friday? The plan is a chapter a week, right?Tom Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04770238579550226268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-33156597040570653592015-04-04T01:57:06.478-04:002015-04-04T01:57:06.478-04:00INTRODUCTION
8- This search for a true definition ...INTRODUCTION<br />8- This search for a true definition of art started in school for me at Art Center, one thing that was always on my mind and made me curious as to what others thought. Here I was trying to learn the baby steps, but at the same time trying to make a giant leap to catch up with what my teachers really wanted me to know. But alas, there are no shortcuts...<br />9- Tolstoy was the closest to my heart, but I was summarize it in my own words as art is about connection with another human being, even just one. Without such connection is just practice and self reflection, going too deep and you touch no one but yourself. If that is the goal, then why bother with creating externally, a piece of art, since your mind will always contain the very best imagery only you will ever know? Why? To share with another human being what it is you see inside, however far off or close to the mark you get with a drawing or painting.<br />10- To me, this is the most beautiful aspect of art, or drawing in this case, to see and feel the rhythm of what was certainly a force in both the subject, but also of the authoring artist, who sensed it and recorded their interpretation of it.<br />11-I agree with Speed on looking for the universal, not because it is right, but simply because it feels good to be part of something larger than oneself. That's something likely to be preferential, so it may not apply to all equally.<br />12- I was once told by an onlooker watching me take photos of a telephone poles with their large transformers and jumble of wiring, "Why are you taking a picture of something so ordinary?" My response with a good moment to reflect was, "It is the job of the artist to make the ordinary, extra-ordinary". He laughed and walked away shaking his head. So this passage I felt a close connection to, and understood that artist in particular have to train to see, truly, to see beauty others cannot or will not, so as to share with them that kind of vision. At the very least, that's is what we are attempting more and more as we grow.<br />13- I could not agree more with Speed, not because of my successes with having a vision and creating "beauty" but more because of when I used the same formula without a vision and failed time after time to do the same.<br />14- I like how Speed is after a wholistic achievement in art, not ignoring nor addressing just the fringes, which lays the easier path of least resistance. Those camps are filled with shared common experiences which cultivate ideology and dogma, ideas that an artist on a individual journey cannot relate to as easily.The unity of all things seems to be where Speed is going to take us, a place to start.<br />15- I started with copying my favorite comics and cartoons and that practice lead to portraits copied from photography, by high school I realized that this could not be the end and that there was certainly more, more that could be expressed or achieved in communicating with an audience, that copying alone could never reach. Getting into art school only revealed that I had just started my journey which I realized would take the rest of my life. I was very excited about where I was about to tread.Artilloryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13555613010362673514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-5146550007902706582015-04-04T01:56:37.150-04:002015-04-04T01:56:37.150-04:00PREFACE
1- It seems the true essence of the dilemm...PREFACE<br />1- It seems the true essence of the dilemma is that art can demand every single one of our faculties and that even though we have found ways to categorize and simplify what must or can be learned, we ultimately must come to grips with how much we plan to tackle in our pursuit of expression through visual art. To be fluent alone is not enough; as satisfying for some as it can be.<br />2- Students especially seemed to think the master just knows shortcuts therefore if said shortcuts are to be shared, the student will benefit and can continue from that point on. However I feel Speed is pointing out, correctly, that shortcuts are a master's hindsight only after experience, for which a student cannot bypass the tradition of learning this discipline in order to achieve mastery.<br />3-no comment<br />4-Accuracy in drawing is a worthy skill to achieve, but accuracy alone will not create great art without a more human touch that connects to our flaws as well as our outstanding sensibilities, things that can go beyond mere accuracy. For if accuracy alone is the goal, then photography has all draftsman beaten. But we know it takes more than a camera to make a great photograph, so to we know there is more to drawing than accuracy alone. It's a good start much like expecting your camera to work when you release the shutter. I think we give much credit to the labor of hand drawn realism or accurate drawing simply because it is not as easy to achieve, or everyone would be able to with little effort. It is surely to be applauded, but it is not the end of the road, as Speed suggests, it might even be a separate road, if I understood the metaphor.<br />5- no comment <br />6- I very often think about how technology has completely changed not only art instruction but art inspiration for the artists and artistic cultural exchange. In my own short lifespan I have seen popular forms of art travel from one generation to the next, one continent to another and back again, very heavily influencing one another, which now is happening at an ever faster rate. It's akin to crossing a fast moving river, so easy to get swept up the currents if you don't have a steady place to tread.<br />7- Interesting how Speed uses a river as well, but he is using it in the linear sense of time and flow of ideas in a linear progression. I wonder how we would think of the vast delta of our modern art heritage on the global scale it is, seemingly progressing not linearly as one might expect, but laterally, creating tributaries in wider and wider fan across cultures worldwide.Artilloryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13555613010362673514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-59540673808470443352015-04-04T00:23:58.601-04:002015-04-04T00:23:58.601-04:00Great insights and discussion! Thank you all. I th...Great insights and discussion! Thank you all. I think one of the greatest, if not greatest results of the Internet is the ability to connect and communicate. Yeah, I know, duh, but I think it's often taken for granted. Just acknowledging my gratitude.<br /><br />I'd also like to acknowledge and thank all of you who teach, have taught and yet will teach. Paid or not, where would we be without those willing and wanting to teach?! Art makes life better, whatever your definition, and creativity always wins the day as far as I'm concerned. Without creativity I just don't see vision.<br /><br />As for the book, I think most have already shared or mentioned the things that jumped out to me. What has been interesting though is to read and digest this so many years down the road from when I last seriously studied art but tabled it for a career in graphic design, only to rededicate myself to it in my early 50s. In doing so I've found myself asking the question why. Why start now? What do I hope to accomplish? I would answer with a slight modification to Speed's definition of art: 'expression of feeling'. We do what we do to express ourselves and what we see or feel (Ch. 2). My memory these days just isn't what it used to be, nor my desire to argue or prove something so subjective, but I am content that if someone is enriched, inspired, edified or otherwise moved by something we've created, isn't that enough?<br /><br />I don't know that I will ever reach the status of artist or master at this point, or even create something acceptable as art, but that's not what drives me. I'm driven by a yearning and desire so deep that I can't ignore it. Where it takes me doesn't matter so much as the journey. <br /><br />Looking forward to more comments and insights from you all and others!seadithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13052851423700566814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-18996601931226478882015-04-04T00:12:40.471-04:002015-04-04T00:12:40.471-04:00Being taught art during the era of "free expr...Being taught art during the era of "free expression" was extremely frustrating. You can't play music well if you can't tune your instrument or reliably get the notes you want out nor can you make visual art if you are fighting to learn your craft at the same time. I've found over the years that writing a lot, even posts, has honed my thinking and I know drawing, and painting, what I see in front of me hones my ability to visualize what I see in my art more clearly too. Drafting is a technical skill, true, but what you DO with that skill is the art.Elena Jardinizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18335079548380273268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-30314337336593059712015-04-04T00:02:34.349-04:002015-04-04T00:02:34.349-04:00The best life drawing teacher I ever had loved hel...The best life drawing teacher I ever had loved helping us SEE, and he told us we must draw as realistically as we could for his class so he'd be sure we were learning what he was trying to teach - to understand and really be aware of the structure of the animal we were drawing, because once we could see a human, with the weight shifts, muscle masses, real shapes, we'd also see other animals more clearly. The thing is that drawing what we really see, and not what we think we see, is quite difficult and very zen. Is it 'art'? It can be, it depends on both the artist and the viewer though.Elena Jardinizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18335079548380273268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-23601530504303377752015-04-03T23:58:51.272-04:002015-04-03T23:58:51.272-04:00I've been nibbling my way through the book dur...I've been nibbling my way through the book during my lunch breaks - not easy in a loud lunch room! What's struck me the most so far is his discussion of line vs form - and his idea that we like lines because when we feel a form we are aware of the edges, and it takes training to perceive and try to reproduce these volumes in masses of tone or color. We actually do not see a form at all if we can't see its edges - this has been proven by researchers showing a subject a bold graphic, then moving it to match the eye's jittering - when the eye can't see the edges, the shape vanishes. Curious.Elena Jardinizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18335079548380273268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-1513437315418281362015-04-03T23:17:41.528-04:002015-04-03T23:17:41.528-04:00While not the same as 3D models, I have been pract...While not the same as 3D models, I have been practicing figure drawing by looking at online images of Greek and Roman statues. It has been a good exercise.Alisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08920421924276998928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-61682760344498777202015-04-03T22:08:09.498-04:002015-04-03T22:08:09.498-04:00The link to the Studio article doesn't work. :...The link to the Studio article doesn't work. :-( <br /><br />I happen to have that volume of The Studio. It's interesting that, looking at the reproductions, his drawings are quite superior to his paintings, which are pretty standard issue Late Victorian, with a dollop of Waterhouse. But to be featured in The Studio at age 26 is pretty darn impressive. "He has lost, happily,none of his youthful enthusiasms, but has learned to keep them under control..."<br /><br />Thank you for doing this book club!sfoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14641207520270872175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-56473353406499772332015-04-03T20:44:22.697-04:002015-04-03T20:44:22.697-04:00Helena, I thing empathy is a great word for it. Th...Helena, I thing empathy is a great word for it. That's why I like to talk to a model a bit before I draw them to see what's characteristic for them. I have a hard time drawing someone whose voice I've never heard or who I haven't seen acting naturally in their normal life.<br /><br />3,4 अर्जुन, thanks for the names of those magazine articles, to which I've added links at the end of the post. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that he had a scholarship to travel through Europe. He spent six weeks in Paris, and went to Brussels, Naples, Florence, Rome, Venice, and Capri, sketching from nature all the way (in Capri alone he made more than 50 studies for pictures). I like to think of such a traveling scholarship as a form of study, even if it wasn't formally as an enrolled student working under a master.<br /><br />Rock995 and Dean, you're welcome! Glad you're getting a lot out of it.<br />James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-30742397564337597952015-04-03T20:03:29.771-04:002015-04-03T20:03:29.771-04:00I've always liked the Speed book. You have gi...I've always liked the Speed book. You have given it a new perspective and this is a lot of interesting fun. Don't know how to thank you for the time you have put into this JG.rock995https://www.blogger.com/profile/09995426623977650468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-7739237855717424352015-04-03T19:15:02.407-04:002015-04-03T19:15:02.407-04:00I'm thrilled by the book choice and forum disc...I'm thrilled by the book choice and forum discussion format! Thanks James and all! I stumbled on Speed's book while searching for drawing and painting books on the gutenberg.org site to read on my smartphone. <br /><br />Regarding the shortcuts of the drawing masters of our grandmothers, it seems to me there are so many people who feel shut out of music or art, because they never were able to get the basics, and assume the actual doing is forever limited to the special few, and they remain somewhat regretful spectators. <br />An art teacher in my high school saw my interest in art, and challenged me that if I took a copy of the Betty Edwards book, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain home over the summer and did many of the exercises he would let me into the advanced class the following year...well, the 'tricks' I picked up really did feel like tricks, but they gave me entry into better representational drawing, and that led to my forays into abstracted works(one childlike linoleum print that looked like a stick figure) having more artistic merit or weight, given my portfolio. The tricks opened up a lot of doors, and I'm ever grateful for them where ever I find them. Thanks for your blog, books and how-to tips, James. I always look forward to trying new (or old) tricks that are offered. Crooner Deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231002738778317484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-76691771613859822612015-04-03T19:06:50.895-04:002015-04-03T19:06:50.895-04:0013. beauty to me is about empathy, especially in d...13. beauty to me is about empathy, especially in drawing people. When you really seeing the person you draw, you start noticing things... it hit me when i did my first portrait drawing session - the sitter didn't appear very interesting... but this feeling completely disappeared when i started drawing her - an interesting curve of the brow, such beautiful but tired eyes, all those small but important things - and it was so exhilarating! <br /><br />and this feeling brings the Tolstoy's quote home - are you able to convey this feeling to other people, in the medium of your choice - i think this is where the technique has an important role...helenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11550038281779615782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-21993134567657278772015-04-03T18:36:00.140-04:002015-04-03T18:36:00.140-04:003, 4. Speed didn't "study" on the co...3, 4. Speed didn't "study" on the continent.<br /><br />Two summary, and illustrated, articles on Speed ~<br /><br />The Windsor Magazine, Volume 25, available on Google-Books, contains the article, The Art of Mr. Harold Speed by Austin Chester<br />&<br />The Studio, Volume 15, also available on Google-Books, contains the article, The Work of Harold Speed by A. L. Baldry. (XV. No. 69. — December, 1898.)अर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-55747770047726166102015-04-03T17:27:28.371-04:002015-04-03T17:27:28.371-04:0013, 15. Allen and Kevin, I think you perfectly exp...13, 15. Allen and Kevin, I think you perfectly express what Speed is getting at. It's not a matter of "accurate and dull" versus "altered and expressive." I think Speed is saying that accurate, sensitive observation by a feeling artist creates a result that has incredible emotional power. Nothing wrong with caricature and distortion, but even within the realm of academically precise work, there are some works that are alive and some that are not.<br /><br />Metatabi and Jared, Sorry I forgot to highlight his discussion of talent and genius. <br /><br />Sorry I'm not getting feedback to everyone, but I'm reading and appreciating what you're all saying.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-14563072509566524222015-04-03T17:16:10.579-04:002015-04-03T17:16:10.579-04:00Fascinating post and book. It is my first time goi...Fascinating post and book. It is my first time going through the book and currently enjoying the theories and concepts it poses. <br /><br />Thanks for providing insight and background not available in the book as it helps put the content in context and better understand the author's viewpoints.<br /><br />As someone still struggling to learn the fundamentals of technique, point 4 really strikes a chord. Improving technique is important of course, but it also important to remember that one must be careful about focusing on technical accuracy at the expense of energy and expression.<br /><br />Something I found impacting in the book but not mentioned in the post is the notion that talent and genius are 2 separate qualities. Talent is the how and genius is the why. The artist has control over the how but not necessarily over the why and the point of building skill is to be able to convey message/expression/feeling. I have noticed - from limited personal experience - that people who see technique as an ends rather than a means tend to be the ones most prone to quit. Anyone else witnessed something similar?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-44733737173934263662015-04-03T16:29:35.456-04:002015-04-03T16:29:35.456-04:00Thanks for doing this Mr Gurney and for your good ...Thanks for doing this Mr Gurney and for your good comments at the beginning of the discussion. I’m interested in copying vs the spirit or emotion. Some of the most moving paintings and drawings are based on technical skill. Maybe I should say they are based on wonderful observation. The artist was simply trying to give an honest record of what he saw, However, he/she employed principles of painting such as losing edges, exaggerating shape, modulating color, using abstract elements like line, the list could go on. These principles were used not to be novel or flambouyant, they just wanted to faithfully portray what they saw as truth. I’m thinking of Titian, El Greco, Corot, Lennart Anderson, Andrew Wyeth. Everything I’ve read and know (I studied for a few wonderful but short weeks with Anderson) about these artists indicates that they were just working to get it right. And in the struggle, the spirit comes through. They were’nt copying for sure, but their main interest was honest conveyance of what they saw and felt. But to convey what they felt, they had to rely on every tool (and maybe even tricks) they had in their toolbox. Anyway, those are just some random thoughts to the chapters and the great comments here.<br /><br />Kevin: Agreed. But instead of finding “a place in the middle” (sounds a little too passive), I see it more as a dynamic tension between the two. Maybe an all out war at times.<br /><br />Carol: yes. Having the language to express what you want!Allen Garnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847365147213872635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-11641303244643587102015-04-03T16:04:19.630-04:002015-04-03T16:04:19.630-04:00In response to Point 1: I made this comment on the...In response to Point 1: I made this comment on the day that you announced this wonderful exploration, but I think it's appropriate for today's discussion: I'm a retired teacher who spent 38 years teaching language arts. During those 38 years, the teaching of formal grammar waxed and waned, came in and out of popularity. I always felt the teaching of formal grammar was a necessity. Although one can write creatively without knowing the definition for a participial phrase, having the language to discuss style, form, and usage is so important. And so it is with art. Speed gives us the language of drawing so that we can employ and analyze--understand the creation of form.Carol Berninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09794914427845407075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-439825768765442992015-04-03T15:47:42.833-04:002015-04-03T15:47:42.833-04:00It seems to me that Speed is trying to get artists...It seems to me that Speed is trying to get artists in training to appreciate what drawing is really all about and to steer them away from potential pitfalls. One of which is getting hung up on mechanical accuracy at the expense of artistic expression. I Think this is a common pitfall even today. There are a lot of technically skilled draftsmen out there that produce really true to life and realistic pictures, but their work isn't expressive. It doesn't really say anything to the viewer. He also mentions the opposite extreme in trying so hard to be expressive but lacking in the skills necessary to adequately express their feelings about their subject. Sort of like someone who cannot play an instrument picking one up and trying to express themselves with it. Somewhere in the middle of these two extremes is where the art is.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06428660115701519405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-9849888068878745702015-04-03T15:42:46.233-04:002015-04-03T15:42:46.233-04:0010. I don't like punk! From a musical point of...10. I don't like punk! From a musical point of view. Sociology is a different matter.<br />Punk to me is a degenerate art; "Entartete Kunst": although I won't forbid as Adolf Hitler did:-)<br /><br />I do enjoy all kinds of Jazz, African Music, Indian Music, and of course I enjoy Vivaldi.<br />Rhythm & Blues as well, to come back to Speed's analogy of "rhythmic drawing".<br />Mr. Speed imo was ahead, and at the time dropping back of / constrained by his times.<br /><br />Lots to be explored in this valuable book. I ordered it a week ago with Amazon, the employees of which are presently on strike here in Germany;<br /><br /> <br />Will have to wait and see...Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14233420155151875249noreply@blogger.com