tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post3031731827776634872..comments2024-03-18T07:23:32.809-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Solomon's "Equipped"--A study or a fragment?James Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-32337272716615245632013-05-27T13:25:07.622-04:002013-05-27T13:25:07.622-04:00I think the small changes are indeed proof of the ...I think the small changes are indeed proof of the artist's hand. Although very subtle, they seem to reduce the illusion of a larger scene and draw more focus to the page's face and hands. For example the highlight on the knight's boot seem to have been reduced. The floor and background appear relatively darker as well.<br /><br />Thanks for the post, it's so interesting to try and understand the mind of a great artist. Lane Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13368399358884888907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-49377247567472322822013-05-26T20:45:25.303-04:002013-05-26T20:45:25.303-04:00Am I the only one that thinks the knight looks an ...Am I the only one that thinks the knight looks an awful lot like a certain artist we all know?Tometheushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487857485627808037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-59697089539793687672013-05-26T13:02:07.972-04:002013-05-26T13:02:07.972-04:00Thulsa Doom: Yes, the tacking edge would be the s...Thulsa Doom: Yes, the tacking edge would be the smoking gun in this case! I'm surprised that the people at Christie's didn't look into this.Craig Banholzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16958933400558297331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-76091871033300746242013-05-26T12:58:03.532-04:002013-05-26T12:58:03.532-04:00Sorry for all the false starts.
The particulars o...Sorry for all the false starts.<br /><br />The particulars of the cropping aside, what strikes me is the change in the message or theme of the painting. The original composition seems to put the page in a subservient position, almost as an afterthought to getting the knight ready for battle, whereas the cropped painting gives the subject--the page--a sort of nobility in his service to the knight, so he is elevated in his position, both visually and metaphorically.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10289244576018542260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-46779023632565402462013-05-26T12:49:22.750-04:002013-05-26T12:49:22.750-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10289244576018542260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-26808278979774120752013-05-26T12:49:03.112-04:002013-05-26T12:49:03.112-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10289244576018542260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-17074852526374533812013-05-26T12:47:34.747-04:002013-05-26T12:47:34.747-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10289244576018542260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-17373168801593334312013-05-26T11:43:23.973-04:002013-05-26T11:43:23.973-04:00It should be easy to see if the "fragment&quo...It should be easy to see if the "fragment" is a portion of the larger work, by looking at the tacking edge of the canvas (unless it has been re-lined and re-stretched to the margins of the original canvas). If it is a fragment cut from a larger canvas, the finished image should wrap onto the tacking edge, whereas if it is a study the edges would most likely remain unpainted.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09052806276926841178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-11586008304939739262013-05-25T15:08:34.835-04:002013-05-25T15:08:34.835-04:00Craig, good questions. I do know that Solomon had ...Craig, good questions. I do know that Solomon had a harder and harder time selling his historical and mythological painting as he entered the 20th century. So he abandoned stuff like Samson and Delilah in favor of portraits -- which he also excelled at. I suppose the piece of evidence we need is his sales records for his RA paintings. Assuming "Equipped" never sold and stayed in his collection (it was in his studio sale after his death so apparently it never sold), it would lend credence to the idea that he felt the page alone was more salable than the whole knight-in-armor thing. According to that logic he got out the scissors, as we artists all do from time to time.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-43674960768626397222013-05-25T14:48:57.093-04:002013-05-25T14:48:57.093-04:00Remarkable bit of detective work! Thanks. I suppos...Remarkable bit of detective work! Thanks. I suppose other questions we could ask are: Was Solomon in the habit of painting such full-scale studies for his paintings? Was there a reason for him to be unsatisfied with the larger composition? Is it possible that the painting had been damaged somehow between 1900 and 1928? I like the entire large painting so much, it's hard to understand why the artist would hack it down in such a draconian manner, although I can think of at least a few cases of other artists doing the same, and it was usually the result of having received very negative reviews.Craig Banholzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16958933400558297331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-50387556120777589072013-05-25T13:36:17.140-04:002013-05-25T13:36:17.140-04:00I have done this before with a few of my illustrat...I have done this before with a few of my illustrations. Sometimes I have parameters that I cannot control dictated by the publisher such as having to leave a large empty space for type. I have cut a few of these down and then reworked some of the remaining areas to adapt to the new proportions. I thereby have salvaged the good parts and made the new composition worthy of standing alone. Here is one example: http://gregnewbold.blogspot.com/2011/12/call-fire-brigade-no-just-repaint.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05975643397065262440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-78113978408416012132013-05-25T12:07:50.180-04:002013-05-25T12:07:50.180-04:00Hello James, judging the photo next to the blur b...Hello James, judging the photo next to the blur black in white finished painting is pretty much the same except for the knight cape which is a bit more slant in the black in white, looking from the boy shoulder going up. Some dark portions of the foreground and also the boy's dark clothes when you follow the line on his back. The lower leg of the armor isn't look finish so maybe it was a copy or a study at all. Funny, its like doing the spot the difference. Florante Paghari-onhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05647803030032067580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-23632820506884833832013-05-25T12:07:42.792-04:002013-05-25T12:07:42.792-04:00Thanks, अर्जुन --
That seems to be a much better f...Thanks, अर्जुन --<br />That seems to be a much better file than the one I found on Google books. People can view the 1900 Royal Academy book of pictures for free here: http://archive.org/details/royalacademyillu1900royauoft<br /><br />James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-58746026714980821082013-05-25T11:05:31.348-04:002013-05-25T11:05:31.348-04:00Ok, thanks for the better quality image of the pai...Ok, thanks for the better quality image of the painting! Now It makes me see that the actual color image is a fragment, while in progress, of the whole painting. XaviChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07615408837875978320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-75095178663210179042013-05-25T10:58:47.948-04:002013-05-25T10:58:47.948-04:00Comparing the whole b/w painting (even its low ima...Comparing the whole b/w painting (even its low image quality) to the fragment, we can observe some small differences, what makes me think that it can be actually a study not a fragment of the entire painting. For exemple, the bottom of the cape of the knight, falling on the rear side of the young man's head seems to have a different shape and curve on every picture. Or the distance between the feet of the knight seems a little longer on the b/w whole painting than in the "study". And some other parts, but due to the quality of the black and white hole painting we can see here, maybe i am totally wrong ahnd it's all an illusion!<br />Thanks for sharing great painters and their works!!XaviChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07615408837875978320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-44673804204881304212013-05-25T10:51:18.780-04:002013-05-25T10:51:18.780-04:00http://ia600305.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookRead...http://ia600305.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/10/items/royalacademyillu1900royauoft/royalacademyillu1900royauoft_jp2.zip&file=royalacademyillu1900royauoft_jp2/royalacademyillu1900royauoft_0097.jp2अर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-43174617904166775932013-05-25T10:39:27.644-04:002013-05-25T10:39:27.644-04:00Most likely Solomon did this himself because he wa...Most likely Solomon did this himself because he was unsatisfied with part of the painting. Weird that you brought up this subject, I actually did this to one of my old paintings a couple days ago. Similarly it had two figures, and one of them spoiled an otherwise nice work. So I cut it down to a smaller painting that I am now pleased with. <br /><br />Only the artist who created the work has the right to do such a thing. Hopefully what happened to Solomon's painting was not done by someone else.Joel Fletcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473257355394926172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-31756249882382887412013-05-25T09:09:06.734-04:002013-05-25T09:09:06.734-04:00The first thing that crossed my mind when seeing t...The first thing that crossed my mind when seeing the side-by-side comparison, is how much stronger the page section is compared to the rest of the painting. It's hard to tell from the old b/w reproduction, but the upper body and head of the night look weak (relatively speaking, of course!). I like the theory that Solomon himself might have edited down the painting to this one section. Lacking documentation, we'll never know. But anyway it's a beautiful painting.Tom Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04770238579550226268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-58010992994583894422013-05-25T08:20:17.533-04:002013-05-25T08:20:17.533-04:00I adore this painting. What wonderful work Solomon...I adore this painting. What wonderful work Solomon J. Solomon did...and what a shame that one way or the other it was sliced out of the original - I hope he's the one who decided to do that. Thanks for your research on this...so interesting!Linda Crankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14990150486771406108noreply@blogger.com