tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post3279502873141523302..comments2024-03-18T07:23:32.809-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: The Missing LecomteJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-64645535708627305572018-06-20T11:51:52.476-04:002018-06-20T11:51:52.476-04:00Well Carla, while I don't know the answer it s...Well Carla, while I don't know the answer it seems everyone copies everyone and the similarity is obvious.Versohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17006311202267369596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-3597161614115954672018-05-13T15:02:53.089-04:002018-05-13T15:02:53.089-04:00there is a very similar picture, and I would like ...there is a very similar picture, and I would like someone to tell me which one is older, it is an engraving by the artist Frederic Hottenroth<br />https://www.alamy.de/stockfoto-charles-iii-fett-839-131888-frankenkonig-876-888-und-romischer-kaiser-881-888-mit-grafen-odo-wahrend-der-viking- sie-48542459.html? pv = 1 & stamp = 2 & imageid = E6ADEB00-AAD6-40DE-B0CA-2228CBA95C6A & p = 58868 & n = 0 & orientation = 0 & pn = 1 & searchtype = 0 & IsFromSearch = 1 & srch = foo% 3dbar% 26st% 3d0% 26pn% 3d1% 26sortby% 3d2% 26resultview% 3dsortbyPopular% 26npgs% 3d0% 26qt% 3dhottenroth% 26qt_raw% 3dhottenroth% 26lic% 3d3% 26mr% 3d0% 26pr% 3d0% 26ot% 3d0% 26creative% 3d% 26ag% 3d0% 26pc% 3d% 26blackwhite% 3d% 26cutout% 3d% 26tbar% 3d1% 26et% 3d0x0000000000000000000% 26vp% 3d0% 26loc% 3d0% 26imgt% 3d0% 26dtfr% 3d% 26dtto% 3d% 26size% 3d0xFF% 26archive% 3d1% 26groupid% 3d% 26pseudoid% 3d% 26a% 3d% 26cdid% 3d% 26cdsrt% 3d% 26name% 3d% 26qn% 3d% 26apalib% 3d% 26apalic% 3d% 26lightbox% 3d% 26gname% 3d% 26gtype% 3d% 26xstx% 3d0% 26simid% 3d% 26saveQry% 3d% 26editorial% 3d1% 26nu% 3d% 26t% 3d% 26edoptin% 3d% 26customgeoip% 3d% 26cap% 3d1% 26cbstore% 3d1% 26vd% 3d0% 26lb% 3d% 26fi% 3d2% 26edrf% 3d% 26ispremium% 3d1% 26flip% 3d0<br />Carla blog´shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16026064788587461604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-115032190780510292018-05-13T15:02:15.607-04:002018-05-13T15:02:15.607-04:00there is a very similar picture, and I would like ...there is a very similar picture, and I would like someone to tell me which one is older, it is an engraving by the artist Frederic Hottenroth<br />https://www.alamy.de/stockfoto-charles-iii-fett-839-131888-frankenkonig-876-888-und-romischer-kaiser-881-888-mit-grafen-odo-wahrend-der-viking- sie-48542459.html? pv = 1 & stamp = 2 & imageid = E6ADEB00-AAD6-40DE-B0CA-2228CBA95C6A & p = 58868 & n = 0 & orientation = 0 & pn = 1 & searchtype = 0 & IsFromSearch = 1 & srch = foo% 3dbar% 26st% 3d0% 26pn% 3d1% 26sortby% 3d2% 26resultview% 3dsortbyPopular% 26npgs% 3d0% 26qt% 3dhottenroth% 26qt_raw% 3dhottenroth% 26lic% 3d3% 26mr% 3d0% 26pr% 3d0% 26ot% 3d0% 26creative% 3d% 26ag% 3d0% 26pc% 3d% 26blackwhite% 3d% 26cutout% 3d% 26tbar% 3d1% 26et% 3d0x0000000000000000000% 26vp% 3d0% 26loc% 3d0% 26imgt% 3d0% 26dtfr% 3d% 26dtto% 3d% 26size% 3d0xFF% 26archive% 3d1% 26groupid% 3d% 26pseudoid% 3d% 26a% 3d% 26cdid% 3d% 26cdsrt% 3d% 26name% 3d% 26qn% 3d% 26apalib% 3d% 26apalic% 3d% 26lightbox% 3d% 26gname% 3d% 26gtype% 3d% 26xstx% 3d0% 26simid% 3d% 26saveQry% 3d% 26editorial% 3d1% 26nu% 3d% 26t% 3d% 26edoptin% 3d% 26customgeoip% 3d% 26cap% 3d1% 26cbstore% 3d1% 26vd% 3d0% 26lb% 3d% 26fi% 3d2% 26edrf% 3d% 26ispremium% 3d1% 26flip% 3d0<br />Carla blog´shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16026064788587461604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-90020347111300843162014-08-23T12:59:07.712-04:002014-08-23T12:59:07.712-04:00Frank swiped a lot and hated to admit it. He used ...Frank swiped a lot and hated to admit it. He used the "I have a photographic memory" line to cover his getting caught.<br />I live by the Wally Wood quote: “Never draw anything you can copy, never copy anything you can trace, never trace anything you can cut out and paste up.”<br />Other than as a footnote it shouldn't be an issue.<br />Frankly I prefer his "swipes" than to his Battlestar Galactica period when his paintings looked like a weak imitation of his earlier work. He didn't like that period much either...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12765213900367650396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-22197541901536699262013-03-23T00:45:04.534-04:002013-03-23T00:45:04.534-04:00It's a horrible pain to find an image at the a...It's a horrible pain to find an image at the angle I need for a given picture. Art students are almost always encouraged to draw from life or reference since really makes the artwork much more beautiful. However when you draw from imagination it helps unify the picture since it's easy to leave out of the picture what you haven't thought of.helium73bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073625485806688768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-11281411654605781292013-03-22T21:54:49.228-04:002013-03-22T21:54:49.228-04:00Frazetta would probably say he did it subconscious...Frazetta would probably say he did it subconsciously. He claimed he never swiped except if he did it as a homage or something. It could be one of few exceptions but everyone has a different kind of memory and he probably had more of a photographic type. People have noticed other instances of almost perfect copies he's done of other works which he really wouldn't need to do if you think about it. He could have easily changed the angle if he were swiping.helium73bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073625485806688768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-35226301793170021372012-05-18T16:56:06.289-04:002012-05-18T16:56:06.289-04:00Let us agree to call it homage out of respect. Don...Let us agree to call it homage out of respect. Done in Disney movies, it is a great source of additional entertainment.Virginia Llorcahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08354795459855491623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-18231248634846168322012-05-16T18:26:03.308-04:002012-05-16T18:26:03.308-04:00In the Frazetta's documentary he didn't sa...In the Frazetta's documentary he didn't say with all letters that he never, ever used photography as reference? That he loved photography but it had nothing to do with his painting job?mrussoarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03167255879744335744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-1146047410522369182012-05-16T09:32:33.942-04:002012-05-16T09:32:33.942-04:00A similar figure based on the second fallen male o...A similar figure based on the second fallen male on the Lecomte can be found at the bottom left of Frazetta's kneeling Kublai Khan plate. http://tinyurl.com/czudoxlRafael Kayananhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15664189284597919007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-35492778774628723152012-05-15T12:33:57.684-04:002012-05-15T12:33:57.684-04:00Huh, Andrea, it isn't: "Lieu de conservat...Huh, Andrea, it isn't: "Lieu de conservation:<br />ministère des Affaires culturelles, Tunis, Tunisie"<br /> The Lecomte is still in Tunis! It never came back ...<br />Read this: http://www.latribunedelart.com/le-musee-cache-de-la-republique-article002100.html<br /><br />here is a *better* pic: http://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/collections/index-of-works/resultat-collection.html?no_cache=1&zoom=1&tx_damzoom_pi1%5Bzoom%5D=0&tx_damzoom_pi1%5BxmlId%5D=078173&tx_damzoom_pi1%5Bback%5D=en%2Fcollections%2Findex-of-works%2Fresultat-collection.html%3Fno_cache%3D1%26zsz%3D9Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-58244635011160808262012-05-15T07:00:23.742-04:002012-05-15T07:00:23.742-04:00Dear James, always appreciating your skillful art ...Dear James, always appreciating your skillful art and posts. La peinture de Lecomte est au Musée d'Orsay à Paris :)<br />http://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/collections/index-of-works/notice.html?no_cache=1&nnumid=078173&cHash=3537b635ed<br /> bonjour de Paris<br />AndreaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-73401875594923867842012-05-15T02:04:54.644-04:002012-05-15T02:04:54.644-04:00Frazetta has always been one of my favorites and n...Frazetta has always been one of my favorites and no less now. This is one of his best paintings.<br />I don't see it any different than a singer or band doing the occasional cover song. Their work still stands as their own.<br />Inspiration can come from many sources.David Teterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747334525619423349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-21016782542621522342012-05-14T21:28:46.512-04:002012-05-14T21:28:46.512-04:00Thanks for another remarkable post. Lecomte's...Thanks for another remarkable post. Lecomte's painting has haunted me ever since I encountered it in Henry Rankin Poore's book on pictorial composition, where the name of the painting's creator is not mentioned. Frazetta's painting was hanging recently at the Society of Illustrators, side-by-side with a photo of the painting in its original state. As was his habit, he re-worked and improved it, years after it had served its original function as a piece of cover art.Craig Banholzernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-37750746520941763762012-05-14T20:09:06.497-04:002012-05-14T20:09:06.497-04:00The article says the painting is "linked to t...The article says the painting is "linked to the history of decolonization", so I'd bet there is some political machinations and stonewalling involved, and that explains the dearth of recent images. Looks like the Tunisians may have learned a thing or two from the French about art acquisition...sacre bleu!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-62106265240872974632012-05-14T19:38:33.745-04:002012-05-14T19:38:33.745-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-46222887661660442722012-05-14T18:30:11.518-04:002012-05-14T18:30:11.518-04:00Etc, Bill, Lyon, and J.R. -- Thanks for tracking i...Etc, Bill, Lyon, and J.R. -- Thanks for tracking it down the Lecomte. My interest in its whereabouts is only idle curiosity (and also I'd love to see a better reproduction of it). Maybe a scholar or someone preparing an art book will pick up the thread you've given here.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-53720091442780081922012-05-14T18:23:57.392-04:002012-05-14T18:23:57.392-04:00The painting used to hang in the Luxembourg Museum...The painting used to hang in the Luxembourg Museum in Paris, when the Luxembourg existed as a separate museum with a permanent collection. Author Julien Green writes about it in volume 1 of his autobiography ("Green Paradise"; first published in French as "Partir avant le jour" in 1963). The painting made a huge impression on him.Bill M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08867786359363134306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-55851573991128445832012-05-14T18:22:56.747-04:002012-05-14T18:22:56.747-04:00jim --
as others have suggested above, why not con...jim --<br />as others have suggested above, why not contact the Ministry of Cultural Affairs directly, and ask them?<br />--<br />online contact form is here:<br />http://www.diplomatie.gov.tn/index.php?id=353&L=2J. R. Stremikishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01778416979882989357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-48698187317729212942012-05-14T17:25:17.421-04:002012-05-14T17:25:17.421-04:00As you probably remember too, Shane, Frank was pre...As you probably remember too, Shane, Frank was pretty touchy about this sort of thing. I would never have brought it up with him, having discovered it, but I never thought any less of him for it. Now that he is gone, I figure he can't get mad at me for showing people... :)Craig Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00106292113083968127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-6324288842795000072012-05-14T15:47:05.500-04:002012-05-14T15:47:05.500-04:00I'm not sure why people are surprised by Fraze...I'm not sure why people are surprised by Frazetta's "inspired" approach. He reproduced and in many cases improved interpretations of Burroughs passages illustrated by J.Allen St. John and Roy Krenkel himself.<br /><br />I think it speaks more to our desire to believe genius comes from within. That it can be pure but that's really impossible. We are the sum of our experiences.<br /><br />He's as fallible as anyone else, but he did wonderful stuff to make us believe different.<br /><br />=s=Shane Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706984816021430077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-64142625572175566772012-05-14T14:47:29.870-04:002012-05-14T14:47:29.870-04:00I think "etc, etc" found it. Here is li...I think "etc, etc" found it. Here is link to the article in english, towards the bottom of the page: <br /><br />http://www.thearttribune.com/France-s-hidden-museum.html <br /><br />It says: <br /><br />"This painting, long thought to have disappeared (and noted as such in Roger Diederen’s study on Lecomte de Nouÿ – see article in French) is in fact still held at the Tunisian Ministry of Cultural Affairs."Howard Lyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11978302312790244145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-63608442300345649242012-05-14T14:42:14.914-04:002012-05-14T14:42:14.914-04:00Torb,
"Quoting" a single figure was a pe...Torb,<br />"Quoting" a single figure was a perfectly acceptable practice of the classical tradition that Lecomte was a part of, provided it was part of an original "invention" and "disposition", as clearly it was in this case (i.e the overall compositions are very different). I think it's safe to assume Lecomte would be flattered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-61262836115929449682012-05-14T14:26:40.991-04:002012-05-14T14:26:40.991-04:00According to this article, "is actually still...According to this article, "is actually still kept at the Tunisian Ministry of Cultural Affairs."<br /><br />http://www.latribunedelart.com/le-musee-cache-de-la-republique-article002100.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-62471231909217589912012-05-14T13:13:25.405-04:002012-05-14T13:13:25.405-04:00I deleted my earlier comment on this, because it s...I deleted my earlier comment on this, because it sounded a bit too snipey. <br /><br />I generally like and admire Frazetta. I am surprised, though, that his appropriation was so direct. It is, in my mind, a bit of a different situation (i.e. less of an issue), than if this figure had been the primary figure, or a more prominant part of the composition.Tom Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04770238579550226268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-76402722529736728902012-05-14T13:09:28.260-04:002012-05-14T13:09:28.260-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tom Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04770238579550226268noreply@blogger.com