tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post4849182940053699275..comments2024-03-18T07:23:32.809-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Face DetectionJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-11098788580699138252010-02-06T15:40:28.927-05:002010-02-06T15:40:28.927-05:00Terry, sorry you clicked on it. Terry is referring...Terry, sorry you clicked on it. Terry is referring to a spam comment (now gone), which unfortunately affected dozens of pages. I have to go through each one and delete them.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-46187061328594059262010-02-06T15:36:06.699-05:002010-02-06T15:36:06.699-05:00The Russian guy is trying to sell an electroshocke...The Russian guy is trying to sell an electroshocker.<br /><br />??? Thought you'd like to know.Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15805115670543125139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-44493744573622869192010-01-21T03:59:10.081-05:002010-01-21T03:59:10.081-05:00james..
very interesting post. Now a days Face Re...james..<br /><br />very interesting post. Now a days Face Recondition cameras are very smart and integrated with many other applications also.<br /><br />Even there are advance face recognition cameras available in the market which will identify multiple faces even an object wear some colored spectacles or a cloth on his faces.<br /><br />I have found many other details from here: <a href="http://www.facerecognitionsolution.com/system-features.html" rel="nofollow">Face Recognition System Feature</a><br /><br />Hope It may help you for more details.<br />thanx for sharing james..<br />keep blogging.The Chain Huthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332588943665486696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-58786829259846923532009-12-15T06:06:29.300-05:002009-12-15T06:06:29.300-05:00@ James Gurney
Very interesting that your negativ...@ James Gurney<br /><br />Very interesting that your negative experience is on a "higher" level. It resonates with aspects of my investigation of our reactions on robots.<br /><br />Just a quick commet on a recent article about "the uncanny valley": http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/ff_avatar_movie/2/<br /><br />On page 2 it is described how Cameron needed to make the quality of his motion-capture so good that the animations "overcame" "the uncanny valley". I think is funny that the article totally neglects that the "Na'vi" (the alien race) are very "humanlike" but NOT creepy looking.<br /><br />The "Na'vi" are an example of how a negative reaction can be mediated by good character design.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08156191075959070122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-15848692593735321642009-12-15T05:41:54.844-05:002009-12-15T05:41:54.844-05:00Thanks Katherine and Peter for the link; visitors ...Thanks Katherine and Peter for the link; visitors and new readers are always welcome, and people should check out your blogs as well.<br /><br />Nick, the tech is moving too fast to keep up! That's really cool that you've got a camera with face recognition. What woud be even more useful for me is blink recognition. Just delay that shot a half second. Most of my once-in-a-lifetime shots are messed up with a doofussy blink-face.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-79854767841082560032009-12-14T22:30:44.071-05:002009-12-14T22:30:44.071-05:00very interesting post! i linked to it on my blog ...very interesting post! i linked to it on my blog (http://didyougetthatthing.wordpress.com/), so i hope that maybe gets you a new follower or two.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14436300162389127324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-79965997475198592092009-12-14T10:01:10.716-05:002009-12-14T10:01:10.716-05:00Hi James,
I hate to bring the future even a littl...Hi James,<br /><br />I hate to bring the future even a little closer, but I already have a camera with face recognition. I bought a Panasonic Lumix GH1 last summer; it has face detection, but also recognition. You can register and name individuals. Then when you are framing a group shot, it will recognize them (their names will pop up below the green rectangle framing their face) and it will preferentially expose and focus for them. If you register more than one person, you can even rank them...<br /><br />NickNick Woolridgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03444692746249047662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-45003507421050783282009-12-13T22:42:01.239-05:002009-12-13T22:42:01.239-05:00It is not creepy to be able, say, to lock a file a...It is not creepy to be able, say, to lock a file and have it unlock ONLY for your face. For instance.Gene Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01017899900650084216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-40667361601731326042009-12-13T11:23:01.186-05:002009-12-13T11:23:01.186-05:00Nice postNice postThanhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12061493365091037491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-46378133628158134042009-12-13T05:20:58.574-05:002009-12-13T05:20:58.574-05:00Nice post James - which I['m highlighting toda...Nice post James - which I['m highlighting today on my blog. I'd already spotted this happening but you have said it all so much better than I could!Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-75873356827771894412009-12-12T22:51:10.357-05:002009-12-12T22:51:10.357-05:00I was using Google street view in Mexico city (for...I was using Google street view in Mexico city (for this months virtual paintout) and noticed that all the faces were blurred! Too bad - it was a great source of anonymous painting subjects. Amazing technology, though.<br />John KaayJohn Kaayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16570233232502054673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-52063080886464377862009-12-12T20:37:11.293-05:002009-12-12T20:37:11.293-05:00There used to be this website where you could uplo...There used to be this website where you could upload a picture of your face and it would find which celebrities look like you. After trying it with a normal picture of me, I then tried drawings. The website liked the picture of Betty Brandt from the 1960s Spider-Man cartoon and suggested some matches, but did not like a screenshot of Megatron. My drawing of Peter Cushing from Star Wars worked, though the website did not suggest Peter Cushing as a match--I felt artistically slighted. :-PFelicity Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07983958177951363405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-23190684167939025652009-12-12T10:50:42.041-05:002009-12-12T10:50:42.041-05:00"The feeling passes instantly as we accept th..."The feeling passes instantly as we accept the machine's new powers."<br /><br />And THAT is the creepiest statement so far...Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15805115670543125139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-76505405436204014092009-12-12T10:16:45.705-05:002009-12-12T10:16:45.705-05:00Johann and Tyler, fascinating discussion. I experi...Johann and Tyler, fascinating discussion. I experienced the Uncanny Valley effect when I visited the Henson Creature Shop years ago. They were working on a full size human baby animatronic with silicon skin, and one of the guys was putting the hairs into it one by one. Creepy, and as you say, repulsive, while cute at the same time.<br /><br />My personal experience of the smart camera was a little different, perhaps because it was not processed through the the same cognitive/neural pathways. It wasn't a visual experience that triggered it. It was more like a deep feeling or recognition that the machine was "thinking" or "conscious," (which of course it wasn't).<br /><br />I think this same reaction (for me a mix of delight/surprise and/discombobulation) can operate with the response to verbal GPS directions, or Amazon recommendations. Not something you see that spooks you, but a sense that the machine is working above the level you expected. <br /><br />The feeling passes instantly as we accept the machine's new powers.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-36449575578481436352009-12-12T09:33:44.680-05:002009-12-12T09:33:44.680-05:00@ Tyler J
Great comment! You are of cause totally...@ Tyler J<br /><br />Great comment! You are of cause totally right! We have acquired immediate reactions (e.g repulsion) through our evolution that serve to enhance survival.<br /><br />And this "the uncanny valley" can seem to explain. But the problem with "the uncanny valley" is that it's so simple and research have even indicated that it's wrong (we don't necessarily react negatively to a near humanlike face).<br /><br />In the HRI-field "the uncanny valley" hypothesis have sort of gone "viral" (like a hilarious youtube video) which the Wired article with monkeys is also an example of. This have had the unfortunate consequence of overshadowing more complex theories of human reactions on robots.<br /><br />Lately this trend have been broken in the professional field and reactions on many levels have been acknowledged (such as the immediate, cognitive and reflective levels of reactions as I talk about).<br /><br />Still "the uncanny valley" can be a good introduction to the HRI field, but the abundance of creepy humanlike robots can make it a difficult task to find the "black swan" that falsifies the theory.<br /><br />And it is precisely such a falsification that is needed so that we can begin to create more complex theories of human reactions to robots. Theories where "repulsion" is one of the many explanations of our reactions on robots.<br /><br />It's good for me to try to spread and reapply my work in the above way, so I'm very glad for your comment!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08156191075959070122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-40248384298471210832009-12-11T19:40:01.377-05:002009-12-11T19:40:01.377-05:00Did you see that Scott McCloud linked to this?
ht...Did you see that Scott McCloud linked to this?<br /><br />http://scottmccloud.com/2009/12/11/the-emergence-of-a-mind/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00423051076809524563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-61506242448151209522009-12-11T15:37:17.170-05:002009-12-11T15:37:17.170-05:00Johan-
Interesting post on the robot forum. I h...Johan- <br /><br />Interesting post on the robot forum. I hesitate to broach this topic with you since you have clearly put a great deal of time and thought into the subject. <br /><br />However, since I am a human with human thoughts and reactions, I figure that I am qualified enough to discuss it =)<br /><br />The reflective aspect of questioning our humanity and trying to define what it means to be human or even trying to define what is alive can certainly be disquieting. However, I would respectfully submit that this is not what the Uncanny Valley is all about.<br /><br />Rather, I think that the heart of it is much more primal and ancient. The repulsion reaction is just that, just a reaction. There is an article that shows that monkey's might very well fall into the Uncanny Valley too:<br /><br />http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/10/uncanny-monkey/<br /><br />The idea, as I understand it, is that once the robot (or whatever) begins to take on enough realistic qualities our brains no longer think of it as a cute robot trying hard to be human, but instead a human that has some real problems. <br /><br />Our brains will always search out subtle ques in other people so as to help us understand how to react to them. "Are they a potential mate? Are they a potential threat? Are they unhealthy?" and so forth. This is done almost subconsciously (or at least, I think that it is) and at such a base level that is not something that can be eliminated without re-wiring the brain.<br /><br />Again, I am a lay person on the subject, but as a person, and an artist of sorts, I find that there is real merit to the theory. <br /><br />I think that my original assertion was that James's comment reminded me of the Uncanny Valley in the sense that there was something of the familiar and something of the foriegn. As he said, the emergence of a brain from his camera recognizing faces sent "a chill down" his spine. To me, that seems like an ancient-type of reaction as opposed to an unsettling higher brain thought.<br /><br />I think that I may have rambled myself into asserting no particular point. <br /><br />So on that note, I will just say thanks for posting your comment, it was fun to think about =)Tyler Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07171434906811033069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-53344040501177075252009-12-11T06:48:46.873-05:002009-12-11T06:48:46.873-05:00Interesting post and discussion in the comments!
...Interesting post and discussion in the comments!<br /><br />I agree that the problem resembles "the uncanny valley"; our negative reactions on increasing humanlikeness.<br /><br />But the problem is that "the uncanny valley" hypothesis doen't give and guidelines for avoiding the negative reactions, other than "make it less humanlike".<br /><br />I my opinion this isen't satisfying. As our tech get's more and more complex we need to ensure that it's interface get's better and better. More intuitive and easy to use. It's been done with personale computers; I'm glad that I'm not punching commandlines into DOS right now!<br /><br />We need to do the same with advanced technology that increasingly become autonomous (as the automatic change to "portrait-mode" is an example on). We need to design this technology so that it doesn't trigger a creepy response.<br /><br />One way to do it is to make the tech more transparent. Make the camera say (visually show or maybe tactically make you feel) "I'm changing the mode to portrait mode". Hereby you made the situation transparent and avoided a negative reaction.<br /><br />But you could also add "personality" by making the camera say: "hey man, I'll just go to portrait mode". If it's done right you can trigger psychological responses in the user that will avoid a negative reaction and even ideally make it positive! And at the same time you've made the tech more intuitive and analogue; more in the way that we communicate human to human everyday (interesting discusion on this on: http://johnnyholland.org/2009/12/09/does-technology-need-personality/)<br /><br />The above indicates the limitations of "the uncanny valley" because you've made the tech more humanlike and at the same time more appealing (which in contrary the hypothesis).<br /><br />Human-robot Interaction is by far more complicated than this, but the above shows an example on how our future design-challenge can be solved.<br /><br />For anybody is interested, you can read a shot presentation and abstract of my psychology-thesis which examined these exact problems with our increasingly more automated technology on: www.robotspodcast.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=747Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08156191075959070122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-15514199087395396062009-12-11T06:40:46.747-05:002009-12-11T06:40:46.747-05:00I love your pure imagination, this is the type of ...I love your pure imagination, this is the type of experiment I'd be compelled to do. It's interesting and weird that the basic simple face drawing wasn't recognised but a similar face with smudgey bits added was. I'm not sure what this says but I'm sure I'll think about it for a long while.<br />Maureen. www.thepizzagang.comMaureenHumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081634584483171524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-61818872962196498842009-12-11T05:35:34.470-05:002009-12-11T05:35:34.470-05:00Splynch, and all with Picasa: have you tried runni...Splynch, and all with Picasa: have you tried running your hand-drawn or painted portraits of your family members by Picasa? If you got the likeness pretty close, I wonder if it would make the identification. <br /><br />Does anyone know what metrics it's using for confirming identity?James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-87380760593463144132009-12-10T21:04:23.229-05:002009-12-10T21:04:23.229-05:00This is really interesting, so thanks for posting ...This is really interesting, so thanks for posting it. <br /><br />I have enjoyed reading the comments posted here. It's not surprising to see how sensitively and insightfuly the topic is addressed given the audience.<br /><br />Your comment about it being simultaneously familiar and strange in regards to computers' reactions reminds me of the concept of "The Uncanny Valley."<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley<br /><br /><br />You should coin a phrase for the philosophical phenomenon...although I am currently drawing a blank on one =)<br /><br />@Cully- I would be interested in hearing the results of the sketch test for the faciaTyler Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07171434906811033069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-20036618368724506112009-12-10T21:01:40.624-05:002009-12-10T21:01:40.624-05:00I have recently been playing with Picassa's ne...I have recently been playing with Picassa's new face detection capabilities. It is uncannily accurate but still can't tell the difference between my non-identical (but very similar) twins. I actually found it even cooler when it mistook family members for each other. It seemed to recognize similarities between my daughter and my sons that I had missed. I have many sketches and photos of the same people, so far I guess my likenesses aren't good enough to allow it to recognize them though.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04102492801230311641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-77585277044720477952009-12-10T18:43:26.213-05:002009-12-10T18:43:26.213-05:00“Sometime soon, face detection may even give way t...“Sometime soon, face detection may even give way to facial identification, discerning one subject from another. For instance, the camera could retain an image tagged 'Mom' in its memory. Later, the camera would automatically recognize each subsequent picture of your mother and add the 'Mom' tag to it."<br /><br />I just got my first Mac ever, and its iPhoto program does this already. I have no use for it, so I haven't used it, but the tutorial shows you how to do it. I think it's creepy.Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15805115670543125139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-14853852318587563412009-12-10T13:07:30.031-05:002009-12-10T13:07:30.031-05:00GooGoo: My older children's teachers already ...GooGoo: My older children's teachers already have a system on their computers from which they upload comments for report cards. It is unnerving to see exactly the same comment about your child from five different teachers! <br /><br />Thanks, James for the thought provoking post and the great sketch, ear notwithstanding.Rebecca S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16409572371302109142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-37572167464758755072009-12-10T11:36:31.958-05:002009-12-10T11:36:31.958-05:00Fascinating. Thanks so much for posting this entry...Fascinating. Thanks so much for posting this entry and all the other wonderful entries here at you blog, I've really been enjoying reading them.Sara Light-Wallerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07293655746343593587noreply@blogger.com