tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post4983696483276993264..comments2024-03-18T07:23:32.809-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Value PlanningJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-28720955186333238152011-03-30T12:27:49.815-04:002011-03-30T12:27:49.815-04:00Drew and Tom, what I meant by "turning a form...Drew and Tom, what I meant by "turning a form" was showing a plane change, such as from the front of the face to the cheek. Depending on the light source, that could be done with a value change. You can also turn the form by using a bluer hue at the same value. It's a bit of a painter's trick, but forms in the real world often get a bluish color from sky reflectivity.<br /><br />Eldar, yes, our perception of relative value can be confused by color, especially if the chroma is very different. For example, it's hard to judge the value of an intense orange next to a very dull blue-gray. It's fun to play with the desaturation tool in Photoshop to see what happens.<br /><br />Richard, will do, but I have to use long-dead artists or my own as examples of bad practice.<br /><br />Alonso, Good question, and it can be answered many ways. Sometimes I get ideas for color schemes by just spinning the mask around on the color wheel. Other time I just want to use certain colors, and I use the system to appreciate the intermediate colors and to suggest accents. But for me the main value of the system is to become more conscious of what I'm leaving out of the scheme.<br /><br />Mary, I'm no expert here, but I'd start at the top by contacting the American Painting expert at Sotheby's and offer to send them a JPEG. Hawthorne is a fairly important painter, and if it's a good painting in good condition, they may want to take it, or at least advise you of other options.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-69140547710422581002011-03-30T11:20:58.443-04:002011-03-30T11:20:58.443-04:00Question -
If one were to have an original Hawthor...Question -<br />If one were to have an original Hawthorne - and one were interested in selling it - where would be the best place to sell it - with an art dealer, with an auction house or through a private sale?Mary Bullockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09718356993209078250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-50899511778898371732011-03-29T13:35:06.930-04:002011-03-29T13:35:06.930-04:00True confession: I'm no spring chicken (in man...True confession: I'm no spring chicken (in many ways), but I must admit that I'm surprised not to recognize the phrase to "turn a form". Is that the same thing as modeling a form? (i.e. conveying the illusion of depth/roundness?)<br />Or is there some disctinction between those meanings?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />TomTom Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04770238579550226268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-33902685957979769252011-03-29T13:12:35.565-04:002011-03-29T13:12:35.565-04:00Dice Tsutsumi has a great little walk thru of hold...<a href="http://www.simplestroke.com/wp/?page_id=11" rel="nofollow">Dice Tsutsumi</a> has a great little walk thru of holding onto a strong value composition through all the stages of a painting. <br /><br /><a href="http://figuresandmusings.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Greg Kapka</a> talks a little about chasing Sargent in figuring out how to use color to turn form instead of value. Couldn't track down which post just now though. <br /><br />(maybe it's in the <a href="http://www.goodbrush.com/misc/painting_lessons/sargent_notes.pdf" rel="nofollow">Sargent Notes</a> that <a href="http://www.goodbrush.com" rel="nofollow">Craig Mullins</a> keeps )<br /><br /><br />Speaking of color; I've read through my copy of Color and Light a few times (thanks for such a great book) But something I'm not clear on is how do you choose a color scheme to use? It makes sense choosing a cool scheme for a night scene or a warm scene for a scene lit by fire, but in scenes that aren't so dominated by colored light how do you choose? Like the triadic color example in the book, why did you choose that shape triangle, positioned there? Or Richard Robinson's gamut mask tool, you can make any shape mask you want, so how do you know what you want? Am I overanalyzing, is the point just to set some limits and go by feeling? ThanksAlonsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02805049234657129031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-52182257518155613902011-03-29T12:22:56.126-04:002011-03-29T12:22:56.126-04:00Perhaps, for further education, you could show us ...Perhaps, for further education, you could show us an example of particularly "bad values"...Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09205473748067982821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-20608084943963316332011-03-29T12:15:33.181-04:002011-03-29T12:15:33.181-04:00It's a very interesting question! I was wonder...It's a very interesting question! I was wondering if the perception of the value might be confused by the color, is it possible?Eldar Minibaevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13052092403079719922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-86504325294985504372011-03-29T12:14:20.710-04:002011-03-29T12:14:20.710-04:00Regarding turning forms with color temperatures, t...Regarding turning forms with color temperatures, this was something that I've been trying to dissect lately with my own work. Are changing color temperatures used as a way to cause minor value shifts in a piece?<br /><br />N.C. Wyeth's work always brings this up in my mind. To me, at least, I can see a few clear cut values in his work, and it looks like he helped push those values by really working with contrasting cool and warm colors. It seems to me that the goal was to keep the simple value plan he set out with, while keeping it from appearing flat.<br /><br />So the way I look at it is that I can use color to add subtle modeling in areas where trying to distinguish it with values would possibly muddy it up or be too indistinct to have the desired effect.<br /><br />I know far more knowledgable people frequent this blog, so if anyone can chime in on this I'd be really grateful.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262476114387821096noreply@blogger.com