tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post5365056982806095934..comments2024-03-18T07:23:32.809-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: What happened to Sir Thomas More's head?James Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-54206974540112607122023-07-25T10:34:12.274-04:002023-07-25T10:34:12.274-04:00Please come and collect it. I'd rather it not...Please come and collect it. I'd rather it not be left in my Roper family's tomb ...LHOGUEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05760298971649479869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-42061796065284678962023-01-25T22:04:08.491-05:002023-01-25T22:04:08.491-05:00Oh brother. A student armchair therapist diagnosi...Oh brother. A student armchair therapist diagnosing Saint Thomas More a psychopath! Lol. C. Scheinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02136618148249714605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-35889053256381900792022-09-05T21:13:04.102-04:002022-09-05T21:13:04.102-04:00The historical characters of Thomas More, and his ...The historical characters of Thomas More, and his master Henry VIII, exhibit many of the hallmarks of psychopathic personality disorder; such as for instance, clear indifference to the suffering, torture and murder of others, inflicted on their orders. Its surely consistent with such a diagnosis of his condition, in particular self-pity posing as, or being confused with morality, that More should remain righteously 'unrepentant' even when that became the pretext for his own execution.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493786913466736896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-20480916631508367212016-08-26T17:54:32.842-04:002016-08-26T17:54:32.842-04:00Catholic humanism celebrates man as the wondrous c...Catholic humanism celebrates man as the wondrous creation of God. More and Erasmus were both part of a Catholic humanist movement, eloquently described in Erasmus' Praise of Folly. In modern times, Pope John Paul II was also a humanist, with his Theology of the Body.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-70800150349595346712015-10-03T10:25:53.546-04:002015-10-03T10:25:53.546-04:00I am Sir Thomas More. I am the highest ranking hu...I am Sir Thomas More. I am the highest ranking human in Heaven. I have come to Earth with the delegation of angels accompanying God. I want my head.<br /><br />Sir Thomas More.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597159886863896774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-7568503399524912622013-02-19T22:12:46.693-05:002013-02-19T22:12:46.693-05:00I suppose it is largely a definition-based issue. ...I suppose it is largely a definition-based issue. As for whether they are compatible, I suppose to an extent. It depends. Roman Catholicism, for one thing, traditionally places God above man. Humanism seems to claim that man is it, and that this life is it. I think that is a significant difference. I suppose it depends on definitions. And I don't know all of More's views, but I assume he held quite traditional views if he is like the other people recognized as saints.Benjamin.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06433112782609982953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-26872202741317149092013-02-19T15:31:54.924-05:002013-02-19T15:31:54.924-05:00Benjamin, I'm no expert on this, but I think R...Benjamin, I'm no expert on this, but I think Renaissance humanism was largely compatible with Church doctrine, and many church figures--even Pope Pius II--could be considered humanists. Maybe someone who knows more about this area can shed light on it for us.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-42342033454430350452013-02-19T15:25:26.885-05:002013-02-19T15:25:26.885-05:00Just a clarification, I'm quite certain that T...Just a clarification, I'm quite certain that Thomas More was a Roman Catholic, not a humanist... humanitarian?Benjamin.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06433112782609982953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-83945042610773491342013-02-15T18:22:28.876-05:002013-02-15T18:22:28.876-05:00Great post and painting of Moore.
I had recently...Great post and painting of Moore. <br /><br />I had recently learned that his daughter had rescued his head, but didn't know what happened to it after that. The story is told in part in Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel which is where I learned of it. Great novel, by the way, once you get used to her use of 'he'. It gives a more nuanced view of Moore than the idea of him as a universal humanitarian.<br /><br />Also, part of the novel deals with a famous painting of Moore and his family, also painted by Hans Holbein.Jean At Homehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14288183476087156126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-27234419649185223602013-02-15T18:18:45.325-05:002013-02-15T18:18:45.325-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jean At Homehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14288183476087156126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-70846603586069157392013-02-15T17:57:50.910-05:002013-02-15T17:57:50.910-05:00Fascinating tidbit of history... and the associate...Fascinating tidbit of history... and the associated comments... thank you all, especially JG... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17041939322311490718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-4540648293879831222013-02-15T16:18:12.126-05:002013-02-15T16:18:12.126-05:00There's an incredible tomb sculpture that I...There's an incredible tomb sculpture that I've loved for a long time, and it originally held the real heart of the person inside. Here's Atlas Obscura's link about it: http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/transi-de-ren-de-chalonRussell Dickersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854569325129096817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-10018130844625919252013-02-15T13:38:08.488-05:002013-02-15T13:38:08.488-05:00It wasn't acknowledging the legality of the un...It wasn't acknowledging the legality of the union, but the legitimacy of it under the precepts of the Catholic Church and the larger issue of the king's seizing power over the Church. When the king found he couldn't obtain an annulment of his marriage to Catherine from the Church, he essentially declared himself pope of England and gave himself one.<br /><br />St. Thomas More had purposely refrained from discussing the king's marriage for the entire process, and only spoke about it when the king finally required everyone in England over the age of 21 to sign an oath stating that the Pope was not the head of the Church in England and that the king's first marriage had not been valid. Naturally St. Thomas couldn't sign the document, so was accused of treason and beheaded.<br /><br />Unfortunately many Catholics went with the times, and today they are Anglicans.Five Fiveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02787187651294078468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-40416879258603858282013-02-15T11:21:41.411-05:002013-02-15T11:21:41.411-05:00I found this a fascinating post. The idea that peo...I found this a fascinating post. The idea that people would take bits and pieces and keep them for years... some from family members and some just as a ghoulish fascination. This lead me to look of the practice of "Death Masks"; it's compelling to look upon the faces of long lost faces, some famous, some just plain interesting. check it out:<br />http://library.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/aids/C0770/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-75888882593177358562013-02-15T10:58:40.446-05:002013-02-15T10:58:40.446-05:00Very interesting post. I did a research paper on S...Very interesting post. I did a research paper on Sir Thomas Moore as a senior in high school. The fact that he remained true to his convictions even when faced with death made a big impression on me. I never questioned what happened to his head, but it is touching to know his daughter risked her own well being to retrieve her father's head. <br /><br />Thanks for sharing. I've loved and followed your blog for years. It is always an education! Tami Traylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073935994298941603noreply@blogger.com