tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post6716058768906070490..comments2024-03-18T07:23:32.809-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Pyle on Tone and EdgesJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-46458552487475671552009-05-28T03:57:24.483-04:002009-05-28T03:57:24.483-04:00I have the same problem as Julia, line vs tone, or...I have the same problem as Julia, line vs tone, or maybe line vs surface (as tone relationship can be replaced or completed by color and temperature).<br />Working in tones is closer to the way the retina works, while using lines is closer to the brain, I think. I prefer lines, and I think my drawings have improved somewhat when I've discarded all that "diligent shading". The problem arises when I paint, I tend to do "coloring" instead of painting. I should try to build forms directly with the brushes, no preliminary drawing at all...Mariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04477403806364388132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-35727361586186584162009-05-27T19:51:29.789-04:002009-05-27T19:51:29.789-04:00Hmmmm - the music analogy is perfect. Thanks so mu...Hmmmm - the music analogy is perfect. Thanks so much for your reply!Julia Lundmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738254016772333899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-22504835253530623162009-05-27T19:32:11.505-04:002009-05-27T19:32:11.505-04:00Hi, Julia. I tend to think more naturally in terms...Hi, Julia. I tend to think more naturally in terms of tone, but I love line, too. <br /><br />I suppose line and tone in art are like melody and harmony in music. They work in separate but parallel realms, and it's good to keep them both in mind all the time.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-20049688141415653642009-05-27T16:24:52.835-04:002009-05-27T16:24:52.835-04:00I think the different ways different schools of ar...I think the different ways different schools of artists use tone is very interesting. When looking at Dean Cornwell it's often pretty obvious how he puts light behind important dark parts, and dark behind important light parts - and it's also obvious how well that works! But looking at for example Bouguereau this isn't always as important, and while Cornwell often uses a lot of contrast in the costumes: white collars and black clothes, Bouguereau's nudes often have a very limited value range, that still somehow works to describe form... When I try to put my figures in some kind of environment I often find it hard to keep track of the values. If the main characters have both light and dark in them, what's left for the background? I guess the only answer is to look at the masters and see what they did...David Stillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06788583610600014354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-57765865656760317962009-05-27T16:05:02.929-04:002009-05-27T16:05:02.929-04:00Well, I am really glad this came up. I am wrestlin...Well, I am really glad this came up. I am wrestling with this issue myself. I have been drawing with tone/shadow for a long time now almost exclusively. After looking at years of drawings, I just feel like there is little of "me" in there. Somehow when I look at the works of many cartoonists or illustrators who work in line (with some tone, but emphasis on the lines), the work feels more interpretive. <br /><br />Do you have any thoughts about line vs. tone? Have you ever considered one over the other or have you always been able to stay on the path you are on artistically?Julia Lundmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738254016772333899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-13173736400503776992009-05-27T15:17:34.264-04:002009-05-27T15:17:34.264-04:00I love Pyle, mostly because of an exerpt of his pu...I love Pyle, mostly because of an exerpt of his published in Andrew Loomis' "Creative Illustration." If only he'd left more notes!coOscar Baechlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17741877755555366706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-89807464450883443332009-05-27T10:38:47.850-04:002009-05-27T10:38:47.850-04:00The insights are GREAT! The application can be a b...The insights are GREAT! The application can be a bit more difficult.<br />Chicken first? Or egg?jeff jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05996337570175075303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-63002745222828185902009-05-27T09:24:56.118-04:002009-05-27T09:24:56.118-04:00This is fantastic. Thanks for sharing! I've always...This is fantastic. Thanks for sharing! I've always admired Pyle since my early days of art school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-53958751225697292912009-05-27T09:23:24.998-04:002009-05-27T09:23:24.998-04:00Fascinating! I think I'll try out a drawing using ...Fascinating! I think I'll try out a drawing using a simplified tone plan and see how that compares with my normal approach. I'm enjoying these insights!C B Sorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04128741370757216386noreply@blogger.com