tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post8722898683047682356..comments2024-03-18T07:23:32.809-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Plane HeadsJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-47277506683793088732009-03-31T05:54:00.000-04:002009-03-31T05:54:00.000-04:00Thanks for this post. It's helped me tremendously ...Thanks for this post. It's helped me tremendously and i've ordered some Bridgeman books as well because of this.Stronger Every Day, cunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10854986478611151682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-6830368624062613512009-03-30T15:28:00.000-04:002009-03-30T15:28:00.000-04:00Jmattos, that's fascinating...I never really was a...Jmattos, that's fascinating...I never really was aware of the direct connection, but was just looking at Jeanette's notes from Souza's class, and he recommended Creative Illustration and told us to go look at those paintings at Carter Sexton. He would always talk about the great masters of art history: "Rembrandt, RubENS, and SOUza."James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-76953702351212631212009-03-30T15:06:00.000-04:002009-03-30T15:06:00.000-04:00I've wondered where Paul Souza got this system - I...I've wondered where Paul Souza got this system - It is similar to Andrew Loomis' plane system for head dwg. Loomis and Souza Lived in the San Fernando Valley- probably knew each other - Loomis studied with Bridgeman- so it looks like Bridgeman-Loomis - Souza.<BR/> Souza drew the Gunfighter scenes in the opening and closing credits of the 50's TV show "Maverick" he was never proud of this even though he did a good job.<BR/>When I had his class in the 70's I would whistle the opening bars of the theme from Maverick;(when I knew I could'nt be caught) the watch him look around in great irritation.jmattoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02704223374392423148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-56593866728154107822009-03-30T09:10:00.000-04:002009-03-30T09:10:00.000-04:00studying planes will efectively improve deeply our...studying planes will efectively improve deeply our drawing. i think it's a good method to push futher our ability to create a volume illusion when we are drawing, or paiting something.<BR/><BR/>i'm always astonished by people who can put down just a few lines on paper, making an arm, a hand, a head "popping out" on paper. they don't draw a character attempt, they just make him appear!<BR/><BR/>to learn character drawing, i wonder now if learning anatomy is the real thing. it's obviously a great help, but i think learning planes is the point. learning structure. it will leads you to a sort of "3D thinking" and it's all you need as a drawer.<BR/>that's why i think bridgeman's books are so helpful, they really improve your 3D sense!<BR/><BR/>john Asaro did a plane head sclupture, it's a wonderful study subject. Unfortunately, it seems very difficult to find...<BR/><BR/>maybe i'll try to sculpt one from photo references...badbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17827386343541823313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-31517983187116957032009-03-30T08:28:00.000-04:002009-03-30T08:28:00.000-04:00What an interesting and very useful post.What an interesting and very useful post.Laura Frankstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02528540633399368216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-10850013084845217082009-03-29T23:33:00.000-04:002009-03-29T23:33:00.000-04:00the hardest part is understanding that planes are ...the hardest part is understanding that planes are the surface of a mass and hence have a specfic oriention which truly gives them power. The biggest mistake I have made in my work has been thinking in terms of shape before volume. I think that is why non photographic painters like Michealanglo and Gericult etc are so powerful because every form in the figure maintains and holds it's oriention in space. The planes explain the postion of the volume, they are a product of thinking dimensionally.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04641223414745777056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-17555254080036047172009-03-29T17:10:00.000-04:002009-03-29T17:10:00.000-04:00I too had Paul Souza's class which included this e...I too had Paul Souza's class which included this early assignment in planes. Paul dressed in color schemes that were often more memorable than his lectures. <BR/><BR/>This effective assignment improved everyone's paintings virtually overnight. For that, we were grateful. <BR/><BR/>No question Duveneck, Bridgeman, Riley, and Sargent promoted clear thinking in this area. And then, Leyendecker too. Another, often overlooked, Richard G. Hatton, has excellent passages on the planes of the head ( and more) in his lucid book, Figure Drawing, from the turn of the 20th century.Larry Kresekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11001136719243536625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-52296055368242182582009-03-29T13:03:00.000-04:002009-03-29T13:03:00.000-04:00Another great painter that 'carved out' the planar...Another great painter that 'carved out' the planar aspects of the head was the great Cincinnati master Frank Duveneck. He teachings here at the Art Academy where felt all over the American art scene. Joseph DeCamp, one of my favorite American painters, is so strong partly because of his having studied and worked with Duveneck.Richard J. Luschek IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17391295820585129843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-69516671224191438012009-03-29T12:49:00.000-04:002009-03-29T12:49:00.000-04:00this is a great examplar of the face...thanks for ...this is a great examplar of the face...thanks for sharing..i am celebrating my 3rd blogacersary this week with a BiG GiVeAwAy...please come join in and spread the word...blessings, rebeccaRebecca E. Parsons/Cre8Tivahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07232095697300045428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-41551785602169216042009-03-29T11:51:00.000-04:002009-03-29T11:51:00.000-04:00Actually I noticed when I was experimenting with a...Actually I noticed when I was experimenting with a 3D program, that you can do a similar thing there, but in 3D.<BR/>In many 3D programs, there's a 'sculpt' mode that allows you intuitively model your 3D shape like clay. If you start from a cube or sphere with not too many planes, you can focus on basic shape.<BR/>Once the basic shape is OK, you can 'subdivide' the planes with the click of a button and add more detail.<BR/><BR/>The following video illustrates this, although it already starts with a high level of 'subdivisions' of planes.<BR/>It's a long video, but towards the end, you'll see that the planes have become so small it almost seems like a smooth surface.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/feature-videos/?video=head_sculpt" REL="nofollow">Sculpt and subdivisions</A><BR/><BR/>I find that playing around in 3D helps in understanding the shape of things, and this actually reflects on the way you think while you are drawing!Erik Bongershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02409523352634066030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-66085596887889460722009-03-29T11:12:00.000-04:002009-03-29T11:12:00.000-04:00we've been doing this type of thing in the figure ...we've been doing this type of thing in the figure drawing class I take as a warm up. Though this is more intense. these are beautiful!Candace Trew Camlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18394835066121634751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-89098704543909719442009-03-29T10:36:00.000-04:002009-03-29T10:36:00.000-04:00Great post BTW!Great post BTW!Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-24127572496558208822009-03-29T10:36:00.001-04:002009-03-29T10:36:00.001-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Marko Krullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10368190264244373460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-71750063294350085612009-03-29T10:29:00.000-04:002009-03-29T10:29:00.000-04:00I actually hatch in planes when drawing. I find t...I actually hatch in planes when drawing. I find that finding the plane and then reflecting that in the way I draw actually helps add solidity to a two dimensional drawing. I get quite a few comments that it looks like I've "sculpted" <A HREF="http://www.pastelsandpencils.com/people.html" REL="nofollow">my heads</A> out of the paper! :)Making A Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509483023337008890noreply@blogger.com