tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post121725951427072207..comments2024-03-28T06:18:17.942-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Questions about Black, Part 1 of 4James Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-6003955669071278742013-12-30T11:55:26.229-05:002013-12-30T11:55:26.229-05:00Shaun, permission granted, of course. Send a link ...Shaun, permission granted, of course. Send a link when you put up the post.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-86447760611785911992013-12-30T11:11:06.449-05:002013-12-30T11:11:06.449-05:00Bone Black is not an exact and perfect replacement...Bone Black is not an exact and perfect replacement but it does have similar transparent properties.<br /><br />In my case this does not effect me too much as I rarely (almost never) use black unadulterated. In most cases I will neutralize the black to a munsell neutral (or very close) and mix a string of grays out of that to use as my control.<br /><br />Which brings up the topic of darkeners and neutralizers. I'll probably create small post regarding that later today. <br /><br /> With Mr. Gurney's permission of courseS. Stipickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10835344936343126604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-29742330486592077302013-12-30T11:05:46.258-05:002013-12-30T11:05:46.258-05:00If the use of ivory black is an issue due to the s...If the use of ivory black is an issue due to the sourcing of the pigment, I would suggest considering Bone Black from Vasari. I have a tube that sits along side of my other blacks and I enjoy using it to the chagrin of my other tubes (if tubes had feelings).S. Stipickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10835344936343126604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-64724324878836616962013-12-28T02:04:20.458-05:002013-12-28T02:04:20.458-05:00There's also perylene black, which is greenish...There's also perylene black, which is greenish.Jerry Boucherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15534511925764794495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-31718048157325468732013-12-27T23:18:50.817-05:002013-12-27T23:18:50.817-05:00Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. Eventua...Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. Eventually the mammoth tusk will run out. Its inevitable. So could you basically have another alternative? Something more common like tusks from other living animals like a boar or is it just not the same quality? K_tigresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02435524324162761134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-78901337286648685612013-12-27T23:15:46.713-05:002013-12-27T23:15:46.713-05:00I agree with Juan Carlos Barquet that there's ...I agree with <b>Juan Carlos Barquet</b> that there's definitely a place for black paint, it's just a matter of understanding its behaviour and knowing how to adjust for it. In particular, there's nothing wrong with using black as a darkener, as long as you know how to correct for its unwanted effects, as I explain in the passage on my website that James linked to. It's generally a matter of adding some extra colourant to restore the excess loss of chroma, and perhaps a trace of a corrective colourant to reverse any shift in hue caused by the black paint. It sometimes releases quite a mix of emotions when students see their "don't use black as a darkener" rule demolished in front of their eyes!<br /><br />An actual problem however is that, in a manner of speaking, 'pure black doesn't exist on the palette', in the sense that all our black paints reflect a few percent of the white light that falls on them. You can demonstrate this for yourself by painting the inside of a small box black, and then closing the box and cutting a narrow slit in it; the slit will be distinctly darker than any black paint you paint beside it. This is why, in that diagram of mine that James posted, black paint lies above the point of zero light energy, which where the theoretical shading series of any colour (B, the line of uniform saturation in the diagram) is headed. This means that the desired shading series for coloured objects misses black paint by a margin, which is quite large for strongly coloured objects. For the latter you may need to make the darkest values as strongly coloured as you can make them; pure black paint by itself just isn't right. James has already said something similar to this in his post on the separateness of black:<br /><br />http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/separateness-of-black.htmlDavid Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013783496092131318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-57898692987586688342013-12-27T17:12:33.142-05:002013-12-27T17:12:33.142-05:00Greetings, Mr. Gurney, and thank you for your insp...Greetings, Mr. Gurney, and thank you for your inspirational postings. Would you share ideas about when to use what brushes? I noticed a flat made short work of geometric shapes and that was a revelation. Now I'm hungry for more. Again, thank you.Joel Wetzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548128716056624601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-8730349598824854082013-12-27T16:13:23.574-05:002013-12-27T16:13:23.574-05:00Hey James,
Wonderful topic. I always have blac...Hey James,<br /><br /> Wonderful topic. I always have black on my palette and use it often. I like mixing white, red, and Ivory Black for low chroma violets. I also use it for mixing beautiful low chroma greens. Here is a link to one of my paintings, where all of the greens are mixtures of white, yellow ochre pale, and ivory black.<br /><br />http://jasons-brush.blogspot.com/2011/04/owl-done.htmlJason Peckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08851518051471565619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-72770765752798399112013-12-27T14:14:42.037-05:002013-12-27T14:14:42.037-05:00I never use tube black oils--they're neutral d...I never use tube black oils--they're neutral dead. Sometimes I want a bluish black, sometimes greenish, sometimes purplish. It depends on the needs of the painting.<br /><br /> One time I was working on a local movie set for a film that's better left unnamed, and hanging out with guys painting signs for the movie. They went to a local paint store and ordered Black, and were really surprised. "I never knew black could be a custom color," said the main guy.<br /><br />More to black than meets the eye......jeff jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05996337570175075303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-76936805833211266402013-12-27T14:12:25.882-05:002013-12-27T14:12:25.882-05:00Gamblin has a new black oil color called "Chr...Gamblin has a new black oil color called "Chromatic black" which is a mixture of quinacridone red and thalo emerald. I've bought a tube, but I have yet to try it out. Connie Nobbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16367762090303903057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-2105900005255971922013-12-27T13:10:50.904-05:002013-12-27T13:10:50.904-05:00I've heard before from teachers or fellow arti...I've heard before from teachers or fellow artists that 'pure black doesn't exist in nature' and therefore it should be avoided. I wonder how much truth (or relevance) is in this statement, because I believe there's definitely a place for black in a picture if it's understood and done right. Thanks James, I look forward to reading the next two posts.Juan Carlos Barquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10386321847527508131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-25239445196357319492013-12-27T12:38:02.874-05:002013-12-27T12:38:02.874-05:00A teacher of mine once worked under another artist...A teacher of mine once worked under another artist for an outside mural. The artist never used straight out-of-the can black, he always mixed his own dark colors. Even when my teacher thought the artist got the dark colors right, the artist would find some way to change the pigment, and make it better. Apparently the mural was too realistic, because a car drove right into it (probably a good time to say the subject was a one point perspective of a road).SEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973124594477337066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-75236369316211984522013-12-27T11:32:01.120-05:002013-12-27T11:32:01.120-05:00I remember that Vincent Van Gogh speaks of six ore...I remember that Vincent Van Gogh speaks of six ore seven diferent blacks that he has found on paintings of Velazquez (in letters to his Brother Theo ?) !pierangelo booghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11523560740540785707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-71357334085055480952013-12-27T11:29:40.428-05:002013-12-27T11:29:40.428-05:00Will you also be addressing the difference in blac...Will you also be addressing the difference in blacks according to manufacturer? There are some great discoveries to be made. And of course, medium to medium blacks can do very different things.billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02616075975131350091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-19600209449134180122013-12-27T09:24:38.204-05:002013-12-27T09:24:38.204-05:00Thanks so much for this one, Mr. Gurney! As a rela...Thanks so much for this one, Mr. Gurney! As a relatively new artist playing with core concepts, this is a great subject.<br /><br />Recently my go-to "black" has been Walnut Brown (a very dark, almost black-brown) mixed with a dash of Sapphire Blue, I call it "Corporea Black" after the username of the person I stole it from. Please excuse the hobby paint names, I paint with Reaper Master Series acrylics. Here is a study in moonlight (after much study of your study of moonlight in Color & Light):<br /><br />http://cashwiley.com/2013/10/18/gravedigger/<br /><br />(Scale is about an inch tall)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com