tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post1917775472864489266..comments2024-03-28T16:36:12.581-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Al Dorne's Waterproof Ink TechniqueJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-74816932136571676622014-07-03T18:02:01.723-04:002014-07-03T18:02:01.723-04:00Thank you James. I'll look into that book. I&#...Thank you James. I'll look into that book. I'm trying to achieve something similar with gouache right now. I think Alex Ross uses both ink washes and gouache as explained in his website: http://www.alexrossart.com/spawn.asp<br /><br />I've also found this videos on youtube which I think can be very helpful on the matter: http://youtu.be/PE4jKa2m-R0Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15181300559132023588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-80618423211515563512014-07-03T17:39:58.167-04:002014-07-03T17:39:58.167-04:00Soars, yes, the inks are pretty dense out of the b...Soars, yes, the inks are pretty dense out of the bottle, so they usually need to be thinned with water.<br /><br />Carlos, good question. I'm not aware of any online tutorials, but there are some good older books, such as Arthur Guptill's book on Color Rendering.<br /><br />Dan and 237: thanks, that's helpful stuff. Robert Fawcett also glazed transparent color over his black and white underdrawing, but he was the first to admit that he was partially colorblind. You're right that the risk of this method is that the darks can sometimes go dead.<br /><br />Poggy and Ddragallis, thanks. Alex Ross's books show his step by steps, and I think Charles Vess's book also has some procedural stuff.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-70324836409767804872014-07-03T17:28:31.261-04:002014-07-03T17:28:31.261-04:00Are the inks thinned with water or some other liqu...Are the inks thinned with water or some other liquid, when doing washes?SoarsLikeAnEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02187655088876834150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-47200104384530102382014-07-03T15:58:15.087-04:002014-07-03T15:58:15.087-04:00I came across this post while trying to achieve th...I came across this post while trying to achieve this very same thing. I would like to know if anyone can refer to online resources to learn this golden age illustrations techniques. Thank you.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15181300559132023588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-52594105919891364652014-07-02T16:32:59.564-04:002014-07-02T16:32:59.564-04:00Interesting post. Also, thanks Dan for the term &...Interesting post. Also, thanks Dan for the term "grisaille" which I didn't know.<br /><br />I work digitally where it is often convenient to use one layer for the monochrome shading, and another layer for the local color. I never knew this was roughly how some art is made in traditional media!Leifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15377423701419088820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-70817027968275780322014-06-30T15:17:13.025-04:002014-06-30T15:17:13.025-04:00Ingres used nearly all the methods of oil painting...Ingres used nearly all the methods of oil painting that had been devised up until that point, including Flemish, Rubens, Venetian, at one point or another. And yes, all of them relied on transparent and translucent layers as far as I know<br /><br />Monochrome underpaintings should be a couple value steps lighter than the values desired in the finished painting, and the un-modeled light areas should be white. The more saturated colors would be laid over either white paint or white ground. I've seen too many modern painters who layer over grey in the light, thinking the underpainting has to match the complete tonal range of the objects they are painting. Then their colors wind up dull, especially with transparent colors. The slightly higher opacity in translucent paint will avoid this somewhat, but then you'll miss out on the stained glass purity of color that transparent paint over bright white ground/paint providesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-65983987485843672782014-06-30T13:43:00.410-04:002014-06-30T13:43:00.410-04:00I love how the picture feels cluttered and hectic,...I love how the picture feels cluttered and hectic, exactly like a child's birthday party would, but yet the "story" of the ad is still perfectly clear, and the two figures are the dominant areas of interest.<br /><br />The technique of making a toned underpainting (grisaille) first and then colorizing it with transparent glazes, goes way back, if I'm not mistaken, to the Renaissance masters, and later "classicists" like Ingres. It is said that Ingres believed that drawing was 90% of painting, and so his approach to painting was almost just adding local color to a complete monochrome "drawing."<br /><br />Waterproof transparent inks would be rather like transparent glazes in acrylics, only without as much film build, which would be more optimal for reproduction.<br /><br />I've never been completely successful with a technique like this. It seems to me you'd have to have the colors firmly in mind while doing the monochrome underpainting, in order to leave space for the additional pigments, especially in the more saturated areas of color.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11104688936444427994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-72975781733023848622014-06-30T12:04:17.627-04:002014-06-30T12:04:17.627-04:00Charles Vess still uses this technique. When I ap...Charles Vess still uses this technique. When I apprenticed with him I watched him spend hours and hours laying washes of ink down. When I tried I found I didn't have the patience, so I replicated the idea with watercolors and gouache. The only difference is that I have to take into account the properties of the pigments (staining vs. non-staining, intensity etc...)and the amount of layers and wetness. To erase the ink however, a good dose of clorox bleach is the best remedy- I prefer the scrub-out technique of watercolors though.Ddragallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10157548937624360769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-36376959562792233222014-06-30T10:46:09.095-04:002014-06-30T10:46:09.095-04:00I think this is roughly the same technique used by...I think this is roughly the same technique used by Alex Ross (except, I think, with watercolor rather than inks over the monochrome underpaint). I have to confess that, back in the day, when I learned about Ross' process I tried to imitate it but the grey tones underneath just seemed to make the colors quite dull, and to be honest I never figured out how to avoid that...poggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03100274244865165948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-22973110900049560552014-06-30T09:34:32.407-04:002014-06-30T09:34:32.407-04:00In the original line drawing her head is already r...In the original line drawing her head is already relatively small compared to her body and hands. After the retouching the contrast is even stronger.RobNonStophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08895067016170660808noreply@blogger.com