tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post8174813333849554136..comments2024-03-28T16:36:12.581-04:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Pan and SatyrsJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-14473560642373137492009-08-03T08:36:59.856-04:002009-08-03T08:36:59.856-04:00Art should not be prevented from telling it's ...Art should not be prevented from telling it's truth.Olaf Johanssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06258535662547853146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-50866403972068988472009-08-03T01:14:26.822-04:002009-08-03T01:14:26.822-04:00O.K. Here’s my take:
Censorship is what is imposed...O.K. Here’s my take:<br />Censorship is what is imposed on you; restraint, discretion or modesty is a matter of free speech and personal expression. If you want to host, update and monitor your blog to your standards feel free (and see how many wacko’s you start to attract). Mr. Gurney has his standards and his audience and seems to be doing just fine. If you really need to see erect art, go see R. Crumbs exhibit at the Hammer, I plan to;) -RQRobertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751501281929627657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-43164603524008251982009-08-01T15:38:54.289-04:002009-08-01T15:38:54.289-04:00I love reading your blog, and as an educator I'...I love reading your blog, and as an educator I've learnt a lot from your teachings, however, i'm somewhat stunned that you'd censor art in this way.roryroryroryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15832970819917647259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-58769073591965779572009-07-28T21:23:26.857-04:002009-07-28T21:23:26.857-04:00Sorry, guys. Think about all the censorship you we...Sorry, guys. Think about all the censorship you went through growing up. Parents do that all the time. I do. There's a reason for it; it's called "all things in their time and place." My kids aren't ready for uncensored anything. As they age, they'll eventually be able to handle it. In our society, people confuse censorship and license, and often believe they can ignore consequences. Freedom means responsibility, to the rising generation and everyone else. Please be respectful to the wishes of those who believe in raising children not beaten down by our society's damaged standards. There's an entire ocean of other places to see uncensored images. Let's keep this a haven.<br /><br />Thanks, Mr. Gurney.Lester Yocumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825921969405494777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-84842245006547701482009-07-28T05:08:07.769-04:002009-07-28T05:08:07.769-04:00It's your blog James but that kind of anticipa...It's your blog James but that kind of anticipatory self-censorship is very disappointing. Should museums be handing out blindfolds in case children see ancient Greek pottery? It's more titillating to cover the penis up this way, it's also mawkish, tittering and unnecessary.Allan Cavanaghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12105145145918112510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-47225277730321800912009-07-28T01:38:12.383-04:002009-07-28T01:38:12.383-04:00Bouguereau did an exquisite painting of a Satyr be...Bouguereau did an exquisite painting of a Satyr being abducted by Nymphs. <br />I look forward to seeing the results of your workshop.<br />It’s interesting how the Trickster appears in different forms in different cultures. This deity seems to have passed from the Greek and Roman religions into the Christian story as the sexualized cloven-footed Satin (by way of the Persian/Zoroastrian Angra Mainyu?). At any rate, what is really puzzling me is what is he balancing on that happy-face symbol of his? A goblet? A basket? What is that thang? All this talk about erect penises and the devil reminds me that R. Crumb is having an exhibit of his ‘The Bible Illustrated: R. Crumb’s Book of Genesis’ at the Hammer Museum in L.A., from Oct. <br />24 thru feb. 7; and he is appearing at Royce Hall at UCLA on Oct. 29 at 8pm with Francoise Mouly, the art editor for the New Yorker. -RQ<br /><br />http://uclalive.org/<br /><br />http://hammer.ucla.edu/Robertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751501281929627657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-36853691412607270482009-07-27T20:37:03.700-04:002009-07-27T20:37:03.700-04:00Very informative post. I had no idea Satyrs were s...Very informative post. I had no idea Satyrs were so... naughty.Daniel.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17722453772927109567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-36802066493303306912009-07-27T17:24:36.656-04:002009-07-27T17:24:36.656-04:00Lorna, I understand how you feel, but I also antic...Lorna, I understand how you feel, but I also anticipated that the unadulterated image would offend a lot of people. As Kev said, the image can be found pretty easily on a search for "satyrs." Museum people tell me they have a lot of ancient material that they can't exhibit. <br /><br />I wanted to include that image mainly to show the Greek conception of the satyr, with the horse tail and the human legs. Yes, Drew, our modern idea of the satyr is the Greek image conflated with the Italic deity of Faunus, who had the horns and goat legs.<br /><br />I'll try to post some images from the class as we go along this week, though we don't have much Internet access.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-9120308630501479762009-07-27T16:22:58.468-04:002009-07-27T16:22:58.468-04:00I appreciate the censorship. I have a link to this...I appreciate the censorship. I have a link to this blog from my junior high school web site. I want my students to be able to enjoy Mr. Gurney's "education" without having to be too concerned about adult content. Thanks for keeping it family friendly.<br /><br />I'm looking forward to tons of images from this workshop. Thanks!John Calvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17950645096470684760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-88702651107918739382009-07-27T16:11:12.566-04:002009-07-27T16:11:12.566-04:00Lookin' forward to seeing the results!
Also,...Lookin' forward to seeing the results! <br /><br />Also, just cuz its sitting around and I should do something productive, here's a satyr drawing I did a while back that I might follow along with. <br /><br />http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uwP_1sCC1x0/SgkieWKyv_I/AAAAAAAAALU/BHyzYgqgZsY/s1600-h/003.jpgOscar Baechlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17741877755555366706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-45573760079911277922009-07-27T14:09:04.678-04:002009-07-27T14:09:04.678-04:00i agree with Kev,
obviously, the author of "d...i agree with Kev,<br />obviously, the author of "dinatopia' has a lot of younger fans. <br /><br />Lorna, etc, there are many forms of "censorship" - the 'bad' kind when say, a repressive government bans dissent. "good" censorship is usually self censorship , you know like not cursing in front of children or your grandmother.<br /><br />Me: Newsflash- human beings have been clothing themselves for well over 30,000 years. It is a social taboo, in the west at least, to expose ones sexual organs (do I really have to tell you this?) <br /><br />I love when people get in a tiffy about things like this then lack to courage to stand up about real censorship issues. There are people sitting in jail in Europe right now for saying politically incorrect things. That's real censorship. How many of you, who are European, have spoken up about that? <br /><br />Encouraging 'decadence' does not lead to freedom, in fact it leads to the exact opposite.i, mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14866554133662047782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-2799801627851753952009-07-27T10:58:38.473-04:002009-07-27T10:58:38.473-04:00gonna have to agree with Lorna on this. There is n...gonna have to agree with Lorna on this. There is no reason to censor this. I love how we can blow people up all day long and watch all the violence we want, but as soon as a nipple slips people get fined.....<br /><br /><br />big deal its a penis erect, be you eighty or eight, if you are a male you know what a penis is....<br /><br />and if you are 80 or 8 and a female and have no idea what a penis is there are other issues and concerns to be addressed.Brandon Cline-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08323691652771466616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-66887948606803507052009-07-27T09:43:53.155-04:002009-07-27T09:43:53.155-04:00My past history includes a few years sharing a far...My past history includes a few years sharing a farm with two other couples. My wife and I had responsibility for the Jersey cow. The goats were not our department. Still, I can say with some authority...I hope you have an excellent goat wrangler on board for the modeling sessions. Persuading a goat -- particularly a male goat -- to buy into your plans requires a special touch. Wish I could be there for the workshop!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09596875722436085739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-23139017271045951532009-07-27T09:42:24.534-04:002009-07-27T09:42:24.534-04:00So, according to that entry, Satyrs didn't rea...So, according to that entry, Satyrs didn't really adopt their trademark appearance until they were merged with a Roman variety of the same diety?<br /><br />I'm sure the workshop will be a hit, I know if I was up in the NY area (and had the funds,) I'd be jumping at the chance too.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262476114387821096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-30487116571272056742009-07-27T09:36:40.019-04:002009-07-27T09:36:40.019-04:00Lorna, I'm sure James did that out of courtesy...Lorna, I'm sure James did that out of courtesy, not censorship. His audience is quite wide, from 8 to 80 as the saying goes... and it isn't "members only." :) I'm sure the image exists in its unadulterated form elsewhere on the net, if you would like to see it. <br /><br />Good luck with your workshop Jim! I bet people will have a blast!kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-62915725399677874452009-07-27T09:10:28.014-04:002009-07-27T09:10:28.014-04:00Shame on you for distorting an image with unnecess...Shame on you for distorting an image with unnecessary censorship!Lornahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01314427507584427965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-8943872044235870112009-07-27T08:24:59.753-04:002009-07-27T08:24:59.753-04:00Wow James, that uncontrollable erection looks a lo...Wow James, that uncontrollable erection looks a lot like a smiley face.Allan Cavanaghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12105145145918112510noreply@blogger.com